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glamour, glamor-AE - der Zauber

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glamour, glamor-AE

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der Zauber


Beispiele/ Definitionen mit Quellen
Siehe Wörterbuch: glamour

An attractive or exciting quality that makes certain people or things seem appealing.
‘the glamour of Monte Carlo’
1.1 Beauty or charm that is sexually attractive.
‘pile hair up for evening glamour’
1.2 as modifier Denoting or relating to sexually suggestive or mildly pornographic photography or publications.
‘a glamour model’
2 archaic Enchantment; magic.
‘that maiden, made by glamour out of flowers’

glam·our also glam·or n.
1. Exciting or mysterious attractiveness usually associated with striking physical beauty, luxury, or celebrity.
2. Archaic Magic cast by a spell; enchantment.

Definition of glamour
1:  a magic spell the girls appeared to be under a glamour — Llewelyn Powys
2:  an exciting and often illusory and romantic attractiveness the glamour of Hollywood; especially:  alluring or fascinating attraction —often used attributively glamour stock glamour girls whooping cranes and … other glamour birds — R. T. Peterson


glamour noun (North American English also glamor)
[uncountable]
 
1. the attractive and exciting quality that makes a person, a job or a place seem special, often because of wealth or status
hopeful young actors and actresses dazzled by the glamour of Hollywood
Now that she's a flight attendant, foreign travel has lost its glamour for her.
2. physical beauty that also suggests wealth or success
Ireland's top fashion model added a touch of glamour to the event.

glamour noun [U] UK US glamor
the special exciting and attractive quality of a person, place, or activity:
Who can resist the glamour of Hollywood?
Compared to the extravagance and glamour of last winter's clothes, this season's collection look simple, almost workaday.
Modern luxury ships are a pale imitation of the glamour and style of the early ocean liners.
The party's electoral message may be obscured by the glitz and glamour of its presentation.
He was drawn to the metropolitan glamour and excitement of Paris.
Some people are attracted by the glamour of working in television.
Kommentar
In my opinion there should be an archaic tag on the English side.
AHD and Oxford list glamour=Zauber as archaic. OALD and CALD don't give magic or enchantment as a meaning. merriam-webster.com is an exception: it gives the definition, but doesn't mark it as archaic. I don't think MW is as reliable as the other sources, however.
VerfasserAmy-MiMi (236989) 17 Mai 17, 00:47
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Ich stimme nicht zu.

Zauber kann auch die Bedeutung von zauberhaft haben.

Who can resist the glamour of Hollywood?
Wer kann dem Zauber Hollywoods widerstehen?

#1Verfassermordnilap (835133) 17 Mai 17, 01:29
Kontext/ Beispiele
Siehe Wörterbuch: zauber
attraction
charm
allurement
enchantment
spell (charm, state of enchantment),
glamour
magic
sortilege
cantrip (Scot.)
fascination
Kommentar
@mordnilap: Thanks for your comment. From the direction German to English I can see that Zauber --> glamour could make sense.

The problem that I see is that glamour, as in the first Oxford citation in the sense of a magic spell is archaic. We can't say ‘that maiden, made by glamour out of flowers’ in English anymore. The "glamour" of Hollywood is the "attractive or exciting quality that makes certain people or things seem appealing." It's not literally a spell or enchantment.

Of course, enchant has two meanings:
1. To cast a spell over; bewitch.
2. To attract and delight; entrance.
The current use of glamour fits only the second. Zauber fits both.

Magic also has several meanings, none of which is archaic.
mag·ic n.
1.
a. The art or practice of using charms, spells, or rituals to attempt to produce supernatural effects or control events in nature.
b. The charms, spells, and rituals so used.
2. The exercise of sleight of hand or conjuring, as in making something seem to disappear, for entertainment.
3. A mysterious quality of enchantment: "For me the names of those men breathed the magic of the past" (Max Beerbohm).

Once again, Zauber fits all of these.

The problem is that part of the meaning of Zauber overlaps with part of the meaning of glamour, but from the English side, glamour as a magic spell that could turn flowers into a girls is archaic.

It's a bit of a conundrum.


#2VerfasserAmy-MiMi (236989) 17 Mai 17, 02:30
Kommentar
Vielleicht eine Markierung "Zauber [fig.]"?
#3Verfassermordnilap (835133) 17 Mai 17, 17:06
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I wouldn't necessarily tag it as archaic: I seem to read it not infrequently in SciFi/Fantasy novels. It's not so much magically turning flowers into girls, but rather maing something or someone look more beautiful or at least more human. Usually some kind of spell or incantation, occasionally also some kind of technology is used to cast a glamour over someone, so that the plain or ugly girl looks like a beautiful supermodel or so that the hideous monster, goblin or ogre can walk this world unnoticed, or similar things.
#4VerfasserDragon (238202) 17 Mai 17, 18:24
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I seem to read it not infrequently in SciFi/Fantasy novels.

Okay, then maybe the entry should be kept as is. I had never come across it and was going by the dictionary entries.
#5VerfasserAmy-MiMi (236989) 17 Mai 17, 21:07
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Books in which I seem to recall reading about individuals using a glamour to disguise their true nature/improve their looks include the Laundry Files series by Charles Stross, the Rivers of London series by Ben Aaronovich and Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell by Susannah Clarke.
#6VerfasserDragon (238202) 18 Mai 17, 09:42
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'A glamour' as a countable noun sounds totally wrong to me. If that isn't already archaic, surely it should be, sci-fi notwithstanding.

I'm fine with it as an uncountable quality, like charm, enchantment, pizzazz.
#7Verfasserhm -- us (236141) 18 Mai 17, 09:50
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Try googling "cast a glamour" or "throw a glamour" or even "put a glamour", hm -- us. You might be surprised.
#8VerfasserDragon (238202) 18 Mai 17, 10:14
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