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    the American public *are* or *is* outrageous

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    the American public *are* or *is* outrageous

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    Dear all,

    I have just noticed that I am not sure whether I should actually say/write "the American public are outrageous" or "is" ... I thought that maybe the word public is like police a non-count noun (or whatever you call them, I am not sure)...
    Can you help me out? Which one is the grammatically correct expression?
    Thanks a lot!!
    Author*Jutta*30 Jun 07, 19:30
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    The American public is...
    #1AuthorDre30 Jun 07, 19:37
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    Here are three other threads; there are a lot of discussions about this subject.

    related discussion: Group nouns

    Discussion deleted

    related discussion: singular/plural

    Basically, if you view collective noun as a single entity - and with public you usually do - then it's singular. If you view it as a mass of individuals, then the verb is plural. The perspective can change within a single sentence, though stylistically this isn't good.

    The crowd is pretty unruly but eventually go their separate ways. [First it's a single entity that exhibits a particular behavior, but then the individuals who make up that entity do different things.]
    #2Author Robert -- US (328606) 30 Jun 07, 20:17
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    Are you really sure you want the American public to be 'outrageous', or do you perhaps mean 'outraged'. Of course if it is some hate polemic your sentence is fine.
    #3Authorandy01 Jul 07, 10:22
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    Actually, I think there is an AE/BE difference in these cases. For "collective" nouns, AE= singular, BE=plural.
    #4Author Todd (275243) 01 Jul 07, 10:47
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    Agree with Todd. There seems to be a difference here between BE and AE. I would make the translation accordingly.
    #5Author trocco (AE) (240804) 01 Jul 07, 11:09
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    Garner's:
    "public, a COLLECTIVE NOUN, usually takes a singular verb in AmE (public is) and a plural verb in BrE (public are)."

    NB: This does not apply to all uses of all collective nouns.
    #6AuthorMikeE (236602) 01 Jul 07, 22:41
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    Actually, even in BE, it would be 'is' as the US and the UN are exemptions that are always in the singular form. I'm quite sure about that since I'm a native AE speaker working in a British company. :)
    #7AuthorI-think-I-know-it :)03 Aug 07, 10:11
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    @andy: 100 percent supported - it has to be outraged of course.
    #8AuthorRon03 Aug 07, 10:44
     
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