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    "that" oder "this" ?

    "Und wenn du das gemacht hast, geh bitte ins Bett."

    Mein Versuch:

    "And having done that go to bed, please."

    Ich kenne die allgemeine Regel (örtliche Nähe: "this", weiter entfernt "that").
    In diesem Satz bezieht es sich aber auf einen Vorgang, den man nicht örtlich begrenzen kann.
    "it" würde mir zu allgemein klingen, da es ja ein konkreter Vorgang ist.
    Author Bernd25 (442741) 25 Feb 12, 16:00
    And after you're finished (with that)l, go to bed.

    I'd say
    #1Author dude (253248) 25 Feb 12, 16:07
    Ich kenne die allgemeine Regel (örtliche Nähe: "this", weiter entfernt "that").
    I think that in choosing between "this" and "that" the question of "zeitliche Nähe" can also play a role. I would therefore also choose "that" in your example.
    #2Author SD3 (451227) 25 Feb 12, 17:11
    When you've done that, please go to bed.
    Not "having done that"
    But definitely "that", not "this" =)
    #3Authorlaceystarpixie (853961) 25 Feb 12, 19:16
    Almost certainly 'that'.

    Whatever the action is, it's associated with the hearer rather than the speaker, and that in itself is enough for 'that'.

    And as the others have said, don't use a participle, it's far too formal: When you've done that...
    #4Author escoville (237761) 25 Feb 12, 19:19
    Danke für alle Antworten. Jetzt weiß ich viel mehr als vorher.
    Da ich viel besser Italienisch kann als Englisch und im Ersteren die Partizipien auch in der Umgangssprache noch möglich sind, habe ich das natürlich auch aufs Englische übertragen und möglicherweise konnte man vor mehreren Jahrzehnten das vielleicht ja noch so sagen.

    #5Author Bernd25 (442741) 25 Feb 12, 20:22
    I disagree. I think it depends on what the "this" or "that" refers to and the attitude of the speaker to the thing.

    Suppose I am doing a crossword puzzle with my girlfriend and it gets late and we aren't done yet. She tells me she is tired and wants to go to bed and wants me to come to bed too. I say: "I want to stay up a little later to finish this puzzle." She says: "Well, allright. But don't come to bed too late. When you're done with this, come to bed."

    She uses "this" because she was doing the puzzle too. If she had used "that", in would put some distance between her and the puzzle.

    Also, we're in the middle of doing the puzzle, so the puzzle is present to us as she is making the utterance.

    I can also imagine a child is watching a TV show and wants to stay up later to finish watching it. The parent says: "OK, you can stay up later, but when this is over, go straight to bed." My intuition is that "this" is used here because the TV show is ongoing at the time of the utterance and in the presence of both mother and child.

    "That" would be used when the action has not yet begun. In the example you gave Und wenn du das gemacht hast, geh bitte ins Bett I imagined that the mother says to the kid: "Go brush your teeth.. and when you have done that, go to bed." She uses "that" because the event has not started yet and perhaps she expects not to be present during it. She is going to bed herself and won't be present. So she can't refer to the event of toothbrushing as if it were something in front of, near, present to her, etc.

    #6AuthorBrettUSA (718859) 25 Feb 12, 22:07
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