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    Sprachlabor

    pepper = Paprika versus pepper = Pfeffer

    Betrifft

    pepper = Paprika versus pepper = Pfeffer

    Kommentar
    A question to native speakers:
    Do you feel comfortable with the same word for two totally different kinds of spices? Is it (almost) always clear from the context that you are talking about the one or the other?
    Like, when you say: I think this sauce needs a little more pepper,
    is it always clear what spice you are talking about or do you quite frequently have to clarify that?

    Verfasser maxxpf (361343) 14 Jun. 15, 12:31
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    English speakers differentiate between paprika and pepper, too. I, for one, have a small container of paprika and several different types of pepper (black pepper, red pepper, lemon pepper, cayenne, e.g.) sitting on my kitchen shelf. Having said that, though, paprika is not commonly used very much in American cooking, and usually it's the black pepper variety that's offered in a restaurant, for instance.
    #1Verfasser dude (253248) 14 Jun. 15, 12:34
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    #1 - So that means that you usually use the word paprika for the German Paprika and pepper just for Pfeffer?
    #2Verfasser maxxpf (361343) 14 Jun. 15, 12:42
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    I do, yes. But that doesn't mean everyone does. There are probably lots of people who don't know or don't care to know the difference.

    P.s.: we are talking about the ground spices as opposed to the vegetables like bell peppers etc., right?
    #3Verfasser dude (253248) 14 Jun. 15, 12:49
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    Yes I'd say; BE too.

    These are "peppers" btw: http://karendevine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2...

    #4Verfassermikefm (760309) 14 Jun. 15, 12:50
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    Die Entsprechung pepper = Paprika gilt für die Paprikaschote, das Gemüse, und meines Wissens nicht für das Paprikagewürz.
    #5Verfassertelly (520167) 14 Jun. 15, 12:50
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    Here are some different peppers (the vegetable type), including sweet peppers and chili peppers: http://bonnieplants.com/product-category/vege...
    #6Verfasser dude (253248) 14 Jun. 15, 12:57
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    If we know we are talking about spices, then I don't think there's a problem. Likewise if we know we are talking about vegetables. The problem comes if we don't know. I once asked my wife to add 'green pepper' to her shopping list, and she came back with green peppercorns rather than the green capsicum I had in mind.
    #7Verfasser escoville (237761) 14 Jun. 15, 12:58
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    Dies hier wäre also nie "pepper", oder?:

    http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/glossary/paprika

    ... einfach nur, um das auzuschließen.
    #8Verfassertelly (520167) 14 Jun. 15, 13:02
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    I once asked my wife to add 'green pepper' to her shopping list  
    What a difference an "s" would have made. :-)
    #9Verfassermikefm (760309) 14 Jun. 15, 13:05
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    German "Paprika" itself has 2 related meanings: the vegetable as eaten raw or cooked, and also the spice that is prepared from the vegetable.

    Paprika = paprika; for the spice
    Pfeffer = pepper; for the spice
    For the vegetable we use green peppers, red peppers, yellow peppers, etc. Sometimes this is shortened (coll.) to just "peppers", but not "pepper".
    "This sauce needs some more pepper" is unambiguous.

    #10Verfasser wupper (354075) 14 Jun. 15, 13:06
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    I think strictly speaking, paprika is a type of pepper (vegetable), but people differentiate between the different ground peppers like Cayenne and the very common black (or white or green) pepper variety that comes from a peppercorn.

    Edit: This sauce needs some more pepper" is unambiguous - not to me. I love cooking with Cayenne but realize not everyone likes it, so I would have to ask, "What type of pepper?"
    #11Verfasser dude (253248) 14 Jun. 15, 13:08
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    Ich habe mal in meiner Sprachausbildung von unserer BE-native-speaker-Lehrerin gelernt, dass man paprika auf der 2. Silbe betont, wenn es es das Pulver, das Gewürz ist. Also auf dem i.
    (Kontrastiert hat sie es sofort mit dem 'paprika', dem Gemüse, betont auf der 1. Silbe.)
    Auf LEO spricht's der Mann nicht so aus.
    Habe ich mich damals verhört?
    #12VerfasserBraunbärin (757733) 14 Jun. 15, 13:13
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    #11
    Aber es geht um den Unterschied zwischen den Gewürzen Paprika und Pfeffer, nicht um verschiedene Arten des Gewürzes Pfeffer ...
    #13Verfassertelly (520167) 14 Jun. 15, 13:14
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    The second syllable is also emphasized in AE; at least that's how I do/learned it.

    @#13: I understand ...
    #14Verfasser dude (253248) 14 Jun. 15, 13:15
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    not to me. I love cooking with Cayenne but realize not everyone likes it, so I would have to ask, "What type of pepper?"

    Well, OK, dude. I admit I'm not into all the various types of pepper out there and to me it would be completely clear. But still, even for you it would be unambiguous as to whether the vegetable or the/a spice was meant, right?

    @#8 Correct. The stuff in the picture would never be called "pepper".
    #15Verfasser wupper (354075) 14 Jun. 15, 13:44
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    Just checked out the McCormick website - they also mention paprika = the spice :-) http://www.mccormick.com/Spices-and-Flavors/H...

    "Red Pepper (Cayenne) is the ripened, dried pod of the Capsicum Frutescens. The capsicum family of spices includes sweet, or bell, pepper, paprika and jalapeno chilies. Used when "heat" is desired, the dried pepper is available ground or crushed. The color is an orange-red to deep red and capsaicin is the main constituent producing the hot taste."

    Personally, bell peppers are the vegetables (prefer green bell peppers) and apart from, ground paprika (the red "stuff" here in Germany)pepper = Pfeffer

    Edit: They also stock paprika http://www.mccormick.com/Search?qs=paprika&ty...
    #16Verfasser Carly-AE (237428) 14 Jun. 15, 14:55
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    @ #9

    But I only wanted one...
    #17Verfasser escoville (237761) 14 Jun. 15, 18:30
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    There used to be several threads in the archive (Suche in allen Foren, if it works in your browser) on related topics.

    In our family we've always said paprika with the accent on the first syllable. (Darn, the Eingabehelfer is gone, and the Ipad apparently doesn't have any special characters at all, only pages of stupid smiley faces. Think an accent on the first A.)

    (OT ... But we vary even among ourselves on spices -- basil with long or short A, for instance. I vary on that from one week to the next.)
    #18Verfasser hm -- us (236141) 14 Jun. 15, 20:40
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    Fwiw, M-W places the accent on the second syllable: http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.php?file...
    #19Verfasser dude (253248) 14 Jun. 15, 21:02
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    hm -- us, try holding the "a" key until a little window with all the accented "a"s appears, then choose the correct one
    #20Verfasser penguin (236245) 14 Jun. 15, 22:57
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    OT

    Aaaaaàåáæ ...

    (((-:

    *strahl*
    *ganzvielfischspendier*
    *aucheinpaarhaferrosinenkekse*

    Gracias, obrigada, danke schön ...
    #21Verfasser hm -- us (236141) 15 Jun. 15, 01:13
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    The only people I know who put the accent on the second syllable of paprika are those who think they're imitating a Hungarian pronunciation (which, of course, they're not).
    #22Verfasser escoville (237761) 15 Jun. 15, 08:10
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    Re #22: You should then talk to the good people at M-W (accent only on second syllable) and at AHD and Oxford (accent on first or second syllable).
    #23Verfasser hbberlin (420040) 15 Jun. 15, 13:34
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    I don't speak one word of Hungarian, but DO accent the second syllable :-)
    #24Verfasser Carly-AE (237428) 15 Jun. 15, 14:33
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    ... was möglicherweise Escovilles Vorurteil bestätigt :-).
    #25Verfasser JanZ (805098) 15 Jun. 15, 14:53
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    @ 17 should have said "a" green pepper then to clarify.
    #26VerfasserDrBelsch (839629) 15 Jun. 15, 16:43
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    Wie ging das noch mal?

    Es ist des Vorurteils Natur
    Weder Teil zu sein, noch ur
    Sondern Meinungen kund zu tun
    Die auf Tatsachen nicht ruh’n
    --Anon.
    #27Verfasser dude (253248) 15 Jun. 15, 16:53
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    So I would summarize as follows (corrections welcome):

    English -> Deutsch

    red, green or yellow (bell) pepper -> Paprika(schote)
    black pepper -> Pfeffer
    chili pepper -> Paprika (Peperoni, Peperoncino)
    red pepper* -> gemahlene Chilis (Cayennepfeffer)
    cayenne pepper -> gemahlene Chilis (Cayennepfeffer)
    paprika -> ungarisches oder spanisches Capsicumpulver

    *As a countable noun, "a red pepper" is a red bell pepper. As an uncountable noun, "red pepper" is cayenne pepper = ground chilis

    Am I correct that in German, "Paprika" can mean either bell pepper (sweet, mild) or chili pepper (spicy, hot)?
    #28Verfasser ion1122 (443218) 15 Jun. 15, 18:34
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    red, green or yellow (bell) pepper -> Paprika(schote) ... in der Schweiz "Peperoni"

    chili pepper -> Paprika (Peperoni, Peperoncino) ... Peperoni in Deutschland (und Österreich?), Peperoncino (Plural Peperoncini) in der Schweiz. Oder Chilischote, aber Paprika heißt dieses Gemüse im deutschen Sprachraum nirgends, oder?

    paprika -> ungarisches oder spanisches Capsicumpulver ... oder Paprikapulver oder, wenn der Zusammenhang klar ist, einfach Paprika. Mit "Capsicumpulver" hätte ich bis eben gerade nichts anfangen können.
    #29Verfasser JanZ (805098) 15 Jun. 15, 18:44
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    Re "bell pepper" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_pepper

    The misleading name "pepper" was given by Christopher Columbus upon bringing the plant back to Europe.[citation needed] At that time, peppercorns, the fruit of an unrelated plant originating from India, Piper nigrum, was a highly prized condiment; the name "pepper" was at that time applied in Europe to all known spices with a hot and pungent taste and so naturally extended to the newly discovered Capsicum genus. The most commonly used alternative name of the plant family, "chile", is of Mexican origin, from the Nahuatl word chilli or xilli. Bell peppers are botanically fruits, but are generally considered in culinary contexts to be vegetables.

    While the bell pepper is a member of the Capsicum genus, it is the only Capsicum that does not produce capsaicin,[5] a lipophilic chemical that can cause a strong burning sensation when it comes in contact with mucous membranes.
    #30Verfasser ion1122 (443218) 15 Jun. 15, 18:51
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    paprika -> ungarisches oder spanisches Capsicumpulver ... oder Paprikapulver oder, wenn der Zusammenhang klar ist, einfach Paprika. Mit "Capsicumpulver" hätte ich bis eben gerade nichts anfangen können.

    Ich auch nicht. Das ist hier 'Paprika'/'Paprikapulver' - und es wird meist unterschieden zwischen süßem Paprika und scharfem Paprika.
    #31VerfasserBraunbärin (757733) 15 Jun. 15, 18:53
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    As mentioned in my #16, McCormick sells (German) paprika, as paprika :-)
    #32Verfasser Carly-AE (237428) 15 Jun. 15, 19:30
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    @ 31 kenne ich als "edelsüß", gibt es da eine Erklärung zu (ich weiß, es steht im Duden, aber das heisst ja nichts) oder ist der Begriff einfach eine Kreation der Hersteller?
    #33VerfasserDrBelsch (839629) 15 Jun. 15, 20:59
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    Growing up, I heard only puh-PREE-kuh in my entourage (northeast USA). Accented on the first syllable I heard only from Hungarian immigrants or their offspring.
    #34Verfasser Peter <us> (41) 16 Jun. 15, 04:10
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    @ #31:
    Paprikasorten für Gulasch, aus einem österreichischen Blog:

    Es handelt sich immer um getrockneten und gemahlenen Gewürzpaprika. Das Pulver unterscheidet sich je nach Reifegrad der Früchte und je nach dem, wieviel Samen mitvermahlen werden.

    1. Delikatesspaprika ist die mildeste Sorte, die so gut wie keine Schärfe besitzt. Es werden dafür nur die getrockneten Fruchtwände ohne Samen vermahlen.
    2. Edelsüßer Paprika besitzt noch immer kaum Schärfe, ist von erstklassiger Qualität und tiefroter Farbe.
    3. Halbsüßer Paprika ist schon eine bisserl schärfer.
    4. Rosenpaprika ist der typische scharfe Paprika, dessen Farbe weniger rot ist, sondern sehr stark ins Bräunliche geht, da der Anteil an Samen sehr hoch ist.
    5. Der ungarische Scharfpaprika ist für Österreicher eh nicht zum Fressen und wird bei uns daher auch kaum angeboten.

    Am wahrscheinlichsten bekommen Sie außerhalb Ungarns edelsüßen Paprika, Delikatesspaprika und Rosenpaprika und genau diese Sorten brauchen Sie auch.
    http://www.ziiikocht.at/2013/01/wiener-wirtsh...
    #35Verfasser penguin (236245) 22 Jun. 15, 14:16
     
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