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    some British colloquialisms

    Verfasser jamqueen (1129860) 13 Nov. 17, 21:05
    Aus dem Link im OP :

    88 very British phrases that will confuse anybody who didn't grow up in the UK
    Every language has a few phrases that don't always translate well — and the British English has some absolute corkers.
    Our team has compiled a list of the best British slang and idioms that define the weird and wonderful British dialect we grew up with.
    From our linguistic research, we've confirmed that above all, British people can be sarcastic, unsympathetic, and often rather drunk.
    Each term is partnered with a description and example. Some entries also feature surprising facts about the phrase's origins, with a few quintessentially British idioms not actually coming from British roots at all. ...
    #1Verfasser no me bré (700807) 13 Nov. 17, 21:31
    Of the 88, I think about a dozen are also perfectly good AE, at least another dozen easily understood, a few more understandable but clearly BE and one more that would be good AE except for the BE spelling.
    #2Verfasser Jurist (US) (804041) 13 Nov. 17, 22:47
    I doubt if every bog-standard BE speaker is familiar with ALL of them. I hadn't heard of 'cream-crackered' for example, but I have heard of 'cobbler's', which is also rhyming slang, rather more common and not on the list.

    Incidentally, the phrase 'spend a penny', while often related to the first public conveniences at the 1851 Great Exhibition (which cost a penny to use), is far older. I have a collection of letters from an eighteenth-century Irish bishop to his teenage daughter in which he uses the phrase to mean just this.

    I note that the list gives one of the two meanings of 'chuffed'. The other is the opposite.
    #3Verfasser escoville (237761) 14 Nov. 17, 08:57


    Edith just 'ad a shufti or butcher's - "88 very British phrases that will confuse anybody who didn't grow up in the UK" is clearly not correct. Neither did I grow up in the UK nor did I spend any significant length of time there, but quite a few are very familiar to me ;-)
    #4Verfasser B.L.Z. Bubb (601295) 14 Nov. 17, 09:20
    Könnte man die Liste nicht hier einfach erweitern? Das wär doch interessant.
    #5Verfasser B.L.Z. Bubb (601295) 14 Nov. 17, 09:26
    "Give me a tinkle on the blower" ??? Wie alt sind denn diese phrases? Und wo ist "My postillion has been struck by lightning!"? :-)
    #6VerfasserSpinatwachtel (341764) 14 Nov. 17, 09:27
    A 'tinkle on the blower' is old enough for me to know it. But today's young?

    Delete and substitute 'porkies' = 'lies' (pork pies). Though in Jamaica I'm told it means 'white women'.
    #7Verfasser escoville (237761) 14 Nov. 17, 09:59
    Hmmm.... strange list. Some phrases I have not heard in YEARS and then only by methusalehic speakers (codswallop, poppycock), some I would class as youth-speak and therefore do not know (dench, par, long) and some must have eluded me due to a sheltered upbringing (pinch, punch...).
    #8Verfasserlaalaa (238508) 14 Nov. 17, 10:01
    it's an odd mix of old and new - "dench"??? "long" (= tedious) ??

    But I like the way that past-tensing any random noun can be made to mean "drunk" - (I was completely cheesegratered last night!  - Tell me about it, I've not been so combine-harvestered in years!)

    edit: #8 was not there when I posted my missive...
    #9VerfasserSpinatwachtel (341764) 14 Nov. 17, 10:04
    Ist "nick" wirklich auch (und nur) "Gefängnis"? Ich kenne das eher als Bezeichnung für die Polizeistation.

    Weiterführung der Liste:

    - "Chelsea tractor" - teure SUVs

    - "'blige!" (wie in "much obliged") soll angeblich erfreutes Erstaunen über ein unerwartetes Kompliment ausdrücken und aus Nord-London kommen.

    - "tea" für "dinner"
    #10Verfasser B.L.Z. Bubb (601295) 14 Nov. 17, 10:05
    Of course you might end up getting interference from the British ability to turn practically any word into innuendo. If you say: "I've not been so combine-harvestered in years!", the other person might wiggle their eyebrows and go, "... as the actress said to the bishop."
    #11Verfasser Thirith (1037221) 14 Nov. 17, 10:27
    Wird "discussing Ugandan affairs" noch verwendet?

    #12Verfasser B.L.Z. Bubb (601295) 14 Nov. 17, 10:29
    re # 7 porkies (Cockney rhyming slang) - also meaning white women in Jamaica.

    This is perfectly feasible as porker is generally a derogatory term for overweight/obese people.

    We've not come across this in Jamaica. A less derogatory and more common word would be "whitie".

    Also I'm not convinced's it's exclusively for women.
    #13Verfasser jamqueen (1129860) 14 Nov. 17, 10:30
    oh, nice one. One of my favourite comebacks - "as the actress said to the bishop" (or vice versa) :-))) I love inferring innuendo where none was intended (cf. "...if that's not too personal a question...")
    #14VerfasserSpinatwachtel (341764) 14 Nov. 17, 10:31
    Und wo ist "My postillion has been struck by lightning!"? :-) (#6)

    ... or "My hovercraft is full of eels"? :-)
    #15Verfasser Stravinsky (637051) 14 Nov. 17, 10:56
    'Spanish practices'

    Certainly used in the 90s to refer to arcane procedures in the workplace, tacitly recognized and agreed to by management and workforce alike, but incomprehensible to outsiders.

    to be 'on the wagon' (scil. water wagon) = to abstain from alcohol

    'away fixture' = Seitensprung

    'see a man about a dog' = use the toilet (of men only, I think)

    Does anyone still use the term 'how's yer father' for hanky-panky? Come to that, does anyone still say hanky-panky (= Ugandan discussions)?
    #16Verfasser escoville (237761) 14 Nov. 17, 11:06
    Does anyone still use the term 'how's yer father' for hanky-panky?
    oh yes!  (usually only "a bit of how's yer father", though.) But we also say "consider my flabber well and truly gasted" when shocked, so we probably don't count as proof of everyday, modern usage.
    #17VerfasserSpinatwachtel (341764) 14 Nov. 17, 11:10
    You're a real brick, spinatwachtel! How's a fellow to know what to say these days?
    #18Verfasser escoville (237761) 14 Nov. 17, 11:13
    "Making random words past-tense to mean drunk"

    Adding "-ed" to nouns, surely. This always works. It needs a grammatical rule named after it or something.

    I don't think there's been a pea-souper in the UK since the 1960s, but it's still in the national conscience.

    "A bit of how's yer father" - I can't think of any situation in which I could get away with using this.

    I love "wind your neck in" and "shirty" for sheer power of expression.

    Suggested addition: "Keep your beak out" (used in response to nosiness).
    #19Verfasser Pipper (917363) 14 Nov. 17, 12:02
    "don't get your knickers in a twist"

    "plimsolls" und "pumps" für Sportschuhe
    #20Verfasser B.L.Z. Bubb (601295) 14 Nov. 17, 12:05
    Die einzigen, die mir nichts gesagt haben, waren Dench für "super" (soll das was mit Judy zu tun haben?), par als "Beleidigung" und slumped als Synonym zu cream crackered/knackered.
    #21Verfasser Lady Grey (235863) 14 Nov. 17, 16:23
    Just for the record, the following are examples of what Jurist was referring to as 'also perfectly good AE':

    on the wagon (= sober, abstaining from alcohol)
    see a man about a dog (= go to the toilet)
    pea-souper (= a thick fog)

    So I don't think they count as colorful BE.
    #22Verfasser hm -- us (236141) 14 Nov. 17, 17:21
    Wenn schon brolly in der Liste steht, warum dann nicht auch dies:

    wellies = Wellington boots = Gumminstiefel
    #23Verfasser Dr. Dark (658186) 14 Nov. 17, 18:25

    Thanks for that, hm--us, it surprises me a little (at least the last two).

    What it is to live in England. You've heard more of these than I have.

    I note that the original list explains 'leg it' by giving 'scarper' as a synonym, which I suspect is not AE. I have heard that it is also rhyming slang, from Scapa Flow = go, but that may be a load of cobbler's.
    #24Verfasser escoville (237761) 14 Nov. 17, 18:31
    wellies = Wellington boots = Gummistiefel (#23)

    They're gumboots to us.
    #25Verfasser Stravinsky (637051) 14 Nov. 17, 18:36
    Ich überlege grade, ob die eigentlich hench meinten statt Dench - die Bedeutung würde passen. Autocorrect failure?
    #26Verfasser Lady Grey (235863) 14 Nov. 17, 21:50
    Don't think so, LG. Dench appears in most slang dictionaries. (Though not the one I keep in my head.)
    #27Verfasser escoville (237761) 14 Nov. 17, 22:51
    #26: My younger cousins use "dench"...

    The story of its coinage may be found here: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/12...

    No word on whether or not Judi was the inspiration behind it, although she is aware of the phenomenon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAj0OPbcFLc&f...

    And they have also collaborated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ojygIbMYk
    #28Verfasser Pipper (917363) 15 Nov. 17, 09:44
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