I started this thread to gather input, and based on the discussion so far, am willing to submit something for Wrong Entry, but there are still some unanswered questions. And a disagreement about what "uncouth" actually means. After reviewing many entries in various corpora, I'm convinced it can be used to describe a broad spectrum of behaviors ranging from mild "offenses" to extremes like the above-mentioned urinating in public. It depends on social norms, which of course vary by culture and by social grouping. And also vary over time. Is it uncouth to burp loudly after a meal? Not in some cultures. To put one's elbows on the table? Maybe in olden times.
Perhaps a better word for the English side of the entry would be "ill-mannered" - which means violating whatever is currently accepted by the speaker as good manners - conveniently context-dependent. Unfortunately, the register is wrong. Even "ill-bred" or "uncultured" seem too formal for "flapsig".
But here's a current working model:
1. Change the original entry to:
(ill-mannered, ill-bred, uncultured
) De: flapsig
(Auftreten / Benehmen)
2. Add this entry:
(of remarks) De: flapsig
Before pinning it down, though, it would be helpful to have more discussion here. And since I love data-driven discussions, here's some more input.OED 2nd Edition:uncouth adj.
6. Of an unfamiliar or strange appearance or form; spec., having an odd, uncomely, awkward, or clumsy shape or bearing
b. Of persons: Awkward and uncultured in appearance or manners. Also transferred senses; Of language, style, etc.; Of manners, actions, etc.Edit:
entries showing the milder side of "uncouth" (see link below for all 178 entries):
● In England, it is considered uncouth
to wash one's feet in the same place where one washes one's hands and face. (Rachel Klein, 1998)
● Don't use the fork to put the snail into your mouth -- that's uncouth
. Instead, place the snail on a bit of French bread (Mother Earth News 1993)
● This is my gun, you see? A gentleman of leisure never packs his weapon next to his socks. It's uncouth
. (Psych (TV show))
● He is as ugly as sin, long-nosed, queer-mouthed, and with uncouth
and somewhat rustic, although courteous manners. (Journal of American Culture 2012)
● The figure's sleeveless fur garment, tied at the waist with a rope, gives him an uncouth
and vaguely threatening appearance (Art Bulletin 2008)
● [The Oxford American literary magazine] has been weird and raw and willing to appear uncouth
(NY Times 2012)https://www.english-corpora.org/coca/?c=coca...