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    Warum Jerry?

    Warum werden deutsche Soldaten von Briten Jerry genannt?
    VerfasserL.K.15 Okt. 05, 10:58
    I think you mean "Gerry" from "German". (Nothing to do with Tom and Jerry)
    #1VerfasserJack15 Okt. 05, 11:28
    Jerry chiefly [Brit.] der Deutsche (ein Deutscher) | die Deutsche
    Jerry deutscher Soldat
    jerry [Brit.] der Nachttopf
    #2VerfasserL.K.15 Okt. 05, 12:01
    My dictionary says
    Jerry = a German, or Germans collectively, comes from Ger[man] + y,
    jerry = chamber pot (Nachttopf) is short for jeroboam, which is apparently also a word for a large wine bottle having a capacity of about 4 ordinary bottles, or 3 liters.
    #3VerfasserMaria E. (ae)15 Okt. 05, 12:32
    So it doen't come from any name like Tommy comes from Tommy Atkins?
    #4VerfasserL.K.15 Okt. 05, 12:40
    @ LK

    No, it doesn't come from a name.

    Jerry = German from GERman

    Kraut = German from Sauerkraut (which was actually part of the German rations in WW I)

    Fritz = German, because, as everyone knows, all Germans during the war(s) were called Fritz
    #5VerfasserRichard15 Okt. 05, 15:16
    I think I left the impression that it should be Gerry. Of course Jerry is the correct orthography. I was just trying to get the source across.
    Jerry Atkins: In my dictionary the name comes from Jerry Atkins. I know nothing
    at all about a soldier or anyone with this name. I have a suspicion that it is
    a coined name for a representative (any) British soldier, possibly of lower
    rank. Perhaps the usage started in the sense of today's John Doe (US) or
    Joe Bloggs (GB). This could become an interesting thread.
    #6VerfasserJack15 Okt. 05, 16:33
    Not Jerry Atkins. Tommy Atkins.
    It's weekend - the mind has gone into low gear.
    #7VerfasserJack15 Okt. 05, 16:58
    @ Jack:

    take a look here:


    and here:


    and here:


    the list of John/Jane does in different languages
    doesn't give Tommy, but yeah, seems like he started in the same league...
    #8Verfasserptero15 Okt. 05, 19:19
    Thank you my friend. This forum (and I mean the people in it) is fantastic.
    I love to learn but where can you look or search? I am not unknowledgable
    but I am not omniscient. The leads you gave me were new, and I have learned.
    Thank you again. As a native speaker of English I am the first one to profess
    I do not know everything about England/America and other English-speaking countries. Yes, I have a feeling for language, but when you are translating
    you need more, context, background knowledge, experience, even empathy, in
    both the source and target language. Manchmal weiß ich 'was aber nicht richtig oder nicht ganz. Deshalb bin ich dankbar für Kommentare oder Hinweise über die Übersetzungen hinaus. Ich sehe manchmal Fäden, die oft giftig werden, und das tut mir weh. Ich beteilige mich nicht daran. Wir sollen uns (und zum grössten Teil das tun wir) gegenseitig helfen. Tonight I am in a philosophical mood (alcohol helps to get off the ground) but to my shame I torched another contributor elsewhere in the forum. I'll stop here. Brevity is the soul...
    #9VerfasserJack16 Okt. 05, 02:27
    Doesn't the Gerry/Chamber Pot connection come from the distinctive shape of German soldiers' helmets as well as just a derogatory association?
    #10VerfasserJ. Paul Murdock17 Okt. 05, 12:27
    j paul .. right .. same thought here ..
    "Aus Machtgeschirr wurde Nachtgeschirr" .. nach dem Krieg.

    Allerdings musste ich mich in Kriegsfilmen immer fragen wie dumm die Briten eigentlich sind. Ihre Helme sahen immer wie Tropenhuete aus stahl aus .. und mir kam es nie so vor als wuerden sie sonderlich viel abhalten .. aber vielleicht war es nur wegen den zu grossen ohren der briten?

    JEmand eine Erklaerung fuer dieses Design?
    #11Verfasserla.ktho17 Okt. 05, 13:34
    Not to forget Jerry-built houses (Poorly built houses; newly made ruins). I wonder where that one comes from.
    Just found out it comes from Jericho (the walls of which fell down) and not from any German connection.
    Other synonyms for Germans that I used to hear as a child: Bosh, Hun

    @ Richard
    Kraut - Sauerkraut is the same sort of thing as Limey for Brits (to the Americans) originating from limes, the vitamin C contents of which were used to protect against scurvey by the seafarers of yesteryear.

    Have a nice day
    #12VerfasserLFC (Exile kopite) ;-)))17 Okt. 05, 13:35
    About the origin of "Tommy" or"Thommy"....
    I think it has to do with the standart rifle in the wars, which were american Thompson rifles in the british army, and maybe that is why the german soliders called the british "Tommys". Because the nickname of that gun was "Tommy gun"
    #13VerfasserMitch M.21 Mai 10, 04:51
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