Ahhh, I feel the love...
I cannot think of another "ewig nörgelnde Emanze" I would rather be defended by. There's a beer waiting for you at the Treff on me - can't wait to see you again.
Tell me, what else would it take to convince you that the word "Ami" has indeed a negative nuance for many Americans (although clearly not all, by any means), since there are apparently Americans here telling you that it has? It reminds me of a saying in the Talmud that goes something like this: if three people tell you you're drunk, you might want to think about lying down. I don't know how much confirmation you need that there are indeed Americans that find the word is insulting, but let me know. It's good to have these things quantified. But I can suggest a PC word for people with dark skin - I call them "people". Works for me.
I'm guessing that the reason for your surprise that there are Americans offended by "Ami" may have something to do with the fact that you have not been on the receiving end. But I think you may have missed something here: whether a slang word describing members of other nations or ethnic groups is an abbreviation or not is wholly irrelevant. As I asked Ulrich05 above, if Americans telling you that the word is offensive to them isn't enough, what is? Does it require a majority vote?
By the way, the British are indeed sometimes referred to as "limeys" for the same reason Germans are referred to as "krauts" - something to do with preventing scurvy at sea, I believe. Considering how many people have told me how useless American cuisine is (an opinion I do not share), I can understand why no one has decided to call Americans by a foodstuff. "Americake", though - you can call me that anytime. Ya gotta love it!
I'm surprised that it took my posting to illustrate the verb "to pontificate" to you - your previous posts in this thread do a far, far better job. Since I'm not bothered by the use of "US-Amerikaner" and consequently do not feel strongly about the issue, I had no dog in that fight and didn't comment. If only you had possessed similar wisdom.
I haven't seen that much backpedaling since the last election.
First you say this: "I would have expected that people know what "echte Schimpfwörter" are: words that all people all over the world agree upon to be utterly offensive without any scope of interpretation."
Then you say this: "Dein Kölsches Kneipenbeispiel greift da nicht, denn es zeigt ja nur, dass im richtigen Ton gesagt alles - oder auch nichts - beleidigend sein kann."
You can't have it both ways: is your absolute-from-on-high your opinion or is it your subjective "Hey, it could mean anything depending on the Ton"? If you wanted to admit that you were wrong, you certainly took a roundabout way of doing it.
"Hier zu verlangen, dass ein ganzes Volk aufhören soll, das Wort im eigenen Land zu benutzen halte ich für falsch. " You're right - that would be wrong. Good thing I never said that, isn't it? I have suggested to people that they might want to consider not using Ami if they do not wish to be at all insulting, but that's not quite the same as your strawman, is it? But I must commend you on your use of that logical fallacy - very masterful. But the best is yet to come.
"Es hat weder einen Sinn, dies jedesmal als Beleidigung aufzufassen, noch zu verlangen, dass die Deutschen das Kopfstreicheln in Zukunft sein lassen sollen, wo doch hunderttausende von Balinesen das entsetzlich finden."
Hmm, I'd have to ask an individual Balinese living in Germany what he or she thinks when it happens. I'm sure that a Balinese exposed often enough to it would find it more tiresome than offensive - much the same way I find Ami. Perhaps there is a simple Balinese way of illustrating the point to the ignorant - much like my usage of "kraut". But your bait-and-switch: nice one! In the same way the Balinese does not tell "die Deutschen" to stop petting the heads of Balinese children (after all, who has his own media empire to commincate it to the masses?), I do not tell "die Deutschen" to stop saying Ami. But I do use the kraut trick on every individual German not of my acquaintance who thinks it appropriate to say it to me - and, as noted before, it works. Those friends of mine of German persuasion use it occasionally - they are permitted to, just as the Balinese probably doesn't mind a German friend rubbing his child's head. But we're not talking about close relationships, are we (or have you gone back to your absolute)?
"I admit that my comments are not scientifically well-founded but based on personal opinions (and deliberately polemic too...) but I wouldn't have expected an answer like solitudinarian's."
Finally, some straight talk! Hast du wirklich gedacht, du könntest straffrei den Leuten ans Bein pinkeln? As someone correctly told Sharper, "Wer austeilt, sollte auch einstecken können." You see, before your first posting, there was an actual legitimate discussion going on about the subject - but let's let your words do the talking:
"Mit manchem müssen sich schnell beleidigte Leberwürste halt einfach abfinden, wenn sie schon partout nicht glauben wollen, dass es sooo böse gar nicht gemeint war. Aber so sind sie halt, die Amis."
How dare some Americans be offended? Why, they must all be beleidigte Leberwürste - this way, I don't have to address the very real arguments, perceptions and feelings these people have. Indeed, they are so intrasigent, they refuse to recognize my "Better get used to it" as an apology. It was the contempt contained in this that led me to my following statements. Had you shown an inkling of respect for those truly troubled by the word, it would have been fine. But you didn't because you wanted to be "polemic". Hell, maybe you are contemptuous of those who feel this way - I neither know nor care. But if you write Stuss like that again, you can always count on a reaction like mine.
It's been fun, Bobby, but not that fun. Unlike the cowboy in Brokeback Mountain, I can and will quit you. And this thread, too - which is a shame, considering what it was like before your urge to be "deliberately polemic". Better luck next time. Toodles.
@ everyone else
If we shadows have offended,
Think but this, and all is mended,
That you have but slumber'd here
While these visions did appear.
And this weak and idle theme,
No more yielding but a dream,
Gentles, do not reprehend:
if you pardon, we will mend:
And, as I am an honest Puck,
If we have unearned luck
Now to 'scape the serpent's tongue,
We will make amends ere long;
Else the Puck a liar call;
So, good night unto you all.
Give me your hands, if we be friends,
And Robin shall restore amends.
Hey, hey - 300!