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    fish/fishes

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    Hi, recently I've read a scientific article where both plural forms were used. The article was written in good English but this frequent "fishes". Are there occasions where this is correct?

    And another thing (completely different, but I don't want to open another thread for a probably silly question): "a couple days" when is it OK to skip the "of"?
    VerfasserMatthias (dt) (254758) 27 Nov. 06, 09:34
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    MMmmhhh, die einzige Pluralform von "fish" die ich kenne ist "fish".
    Das Plural-es ist mit schleierhaft.
    Möglicherweise eingeschränkt richtig, aber im Zweifelsfall würde ich lieber bei "fish" bleiben.
    #1VerfasserBoyscout (255323) 27 Nov. 06, 10:00
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    es gibt im Englischen die regelmäßige und die unregelmäßige Pluralform, und sie haben unterschiedliche Bedeutungen.

    fish --> fish = Fische
    fish --> fishes = Fischarten
    #2Verfasser penguin (236245) 27 Nov. 06, 10:06
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    I wondered about your second question too (in a previous incarnation) and got some useful answers in this thread:

    Siehe auch: A couple questions for AE speakers
    #3Verfasser dulcinea (238640) 27 Nov. 06, 10:34
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    Thanks for the revelation, dulcinea.

    @penguin: Den Verdacht hatte ich auch schon. Ist das offiziell/allgemeinverständlich/korrekt oder internationales Biologenfachchinesisch oder eine Eigenschöpfung des Autors? Gälte das auch bei Schafen und Mäusen?
    #4VerfasserMatthias (dt) (254758) 27 Nov. 06, 10:50
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    Is fishes a plural of fish? Yes, it is, but an infrequently used plural. You can use fishes to refer to different species of fish, particularly in a scientific context:

    Baxter is going to present his research on "Fishes of the North Atlantic" at the biologists' conference.
     
    Several fishes in the region have become extinct.
     


    http://www.longman.com/ae/azar/grammar_ex/mes...

    But we can use "fishes" when we are talking about different species:

    The fishes of the Fraser River include salmon and sturgeon.



    http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/english/2005/02...

    — USAGE The normal plural of fish is fish, as in he caught two huge fish; however the older form fishes is still used when referring to different kinds of fish: freshwater fishes of the British Isles.


    http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/fish_1?v...
    #5Verfasser Jalapeño (236154) 27 Nov. 06, 10:58
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    everyone seems to have covered the fish/fishes problem
    as to "in a couple of days" .. the OF has to stay
    but you can say
    "in a few days"
    #6Verfassermanja (248376) 27 Nov. 06, 10:59
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    Thanks, everyone, particularly to jalape~no - as a side effect of one of your links I do now finally understand the usage of "like". It's my day!
    #7VerfasserMatthias (dt) (254758) 27 Nov. 06, 12:13
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    Offenbar auch poetisch gebraucht?

    Dan Fogelberg, "Longer":
    "Longer than there've been fishes in the ocean
    Higher than any bird ever flew
    Longer than there've been stars up in the heavens
    I've been in love with you
    Stronger than..."
    http://www.sinteticor.com/artist_d/dan_fogelb...
    #8Verfasser Ulrich05 (236177) 27 Nov. 06, 12:35
     
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