which language?
For German we were told: time, manner, place

English

In was für einem Zusammenhang? In einem Brief? In einem Roman? In einer Einladung, Veranstaltungsankündigung oder wie oder was?

Leider kein Zusammenhang. I'm just looking for the general rule that I've seen in a grammar book somewhere and now can't find, but need by next week.

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@Kay: ????

Anne - yes I know - won't happen again

Werner - thanks for the link but it doesn't help.

Ich habe die Frage noch immer nicht verstanden. In einem normalen Satz gibt es doch - abgesehen von den allgemeinen Grammatikregeln - keine Vorschriften, in welcher Reihenfolge etwas zu stehen hat, oder?

There is a rule or suggested order in English (like Ghol said: "For German we were told - time, manner, place") that I've come across and now want to find again.

Dann kann das eigentlich nur auf ISO basieren, und das ist in dem Link erklärt.

As a one-time teacher of English, I was unaware that there is a rule in English... I thought the English word order was too flexible for that.

I do often correct English texts written by Germans to put the time at the end of the sentence or phrase after the place, as that seems a more fitting construction in English.

I had to research this one myself well over 2 years ago.

There are two suggested orders in English:
(A)Place Time Manner
We traveled all through Europe (place) last year (time) by train (manner)

(B) Place Manner Time
He went home (place) by himself (manner) yesterday (time).

I got this out of a standard grammar book, but please don't ask me the name now.
As Nancy pointed out, the place should come first. After that, it's a toss-up as to whether you have you manner or your time in 2nd place.

Sorry me, but as a current English teacher I can say with some confidence that the "normal" order after the verb position and object is manner-place-time. As we so often say, there are many exceptions to most rules in English, but this one does work most of the time. Pity you don't know which book those rules were in?
The rest of the verb order is subject-verb-object. There are of course ways of changing this, for emphasis for example, and questions and negatives have different word order. Time for example, can come at the beginning "Tomorrow I am going fishing" or at the end "I am going fishing tomorrow", and uncertain time expressions (sometimes, always, never, etc.) go in the middle "I sometimes go fishing".

I'm sure a good general grammar or the Murphy series of books - Essential Grammar in Use, English Grammar in Use, would clear it up for you.

Nancy - great, thanks a lot!

Me - fantastic, that was precisely what I was looking for.

I think what Kay is aiming at is the order of adverbials in a sentence. And I do remember our teacher giving us a rule of thumb, which was either manner, place, time or manner, time, place. It's definitely adverbial of manner first. However is it "we'll meet you tomorrow at your place" (time, place) or "we'll meet you at your place tomorrow" (place, time)? I can't remember exactly which one is preferred. Native speakers to the fore.

Tom, brilliant - thanks