Oh, ich habe gerade in diesem Thread Siehe auch: albeit - obwohl/dennoch, Satzstellung ??? eine ziemlich erschöpfende Antwort gefunden. Sofern es dem nichts hinzuzufügen gibt, entschuldige ich mich für die erneute Anfrage, allerdings ist es ja vielleicht trotzdem ganz gut, dass es diesen Fadentitel jetzt gibt, so von wegen finden und so.

Notwithstanding the replies in the other thread, it would be very rare for any English speaker to say or even write 'albeit'. It sounds so old-fashioned, Shakespearean even!
In the given sentence 'Visiting my uncle this week, albeit a good idea..', albeit would probably be replaced by 'although', or 'although it is'.

'Visiting my uncle this week, albeit a good idea.. = nonsense

To get a good idea of how it is used today you might want to browse through the 20,000 examples in the Guardian online: http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navcl...

"Albeit," contrary to what tengun says in #2, is not at all rare for any English speaker to say or even write. I come across this lovely albeit (admittedly) not frequently seen word occasionally and try to use it myself in writing and speech whenever an opportunity presents itself. And my writing and speech tend to be anything but Shakespearian. :-)

Dude, I was hoping that might come across in #4 :-)

CM2DD: sorry, I was too lazy to click your link. I need another cup of coffee first and wake up. :-)

Coffee, albeit disgusting, helps in waking up.

Correct usage?

not really. Here, I'd use "though" instead of "albeit," the latter of which reflects more of a juxtaposition of two different attributes. Maybe: Coffee, one of the more disgusting albeit effective potions, has been shown to cause impotence in rats. (for instance).

*seufz*

Also, ich setze dann "albeit" auf die Liste mit Wörtern, von denen ich die Finger lasse. Ich werde mich auf die wohligen Schauer beschränken müssen, die es auslöst, wenn ich das Wort lese oder höre.

2Q2BSTR8: don't give up yet. :-) Think of "albeit" more in terms of "wenngleich auch" rather than "obwohl."

"Wenngleich" benutze ich zum Beispiel sehr häufig - allerdings synonymisch mit "obwohl". Jetzt sag nicht, dass es dort auch einen Unterschied gibt!!!

Liebe Freunde!

Beim Lesen kontemporärer rechtsenglischer Texte stolpere ich auch hin und wieder über dies' schöne Wörtchen. Man sollte es auch benutzen, um die Sprache variantenreich zu belassen und um der lieben Vielfalt willen. Die wortdiskriminierende Haltung einiger der Antwortenden kann ich nicht zustimmen, akzeptiere sie aber.

Es grüßt Euch herzlich euer
Zaubermuckl

Ich denke, es gibt doch einen Unterschied zwischen "wenngleich" und "wenngleich auch," oder?

*fegt gerade sein Sprachgefühl zusammen und weiß leider gar nix mehr*

sorry; I know how it feels. :-)

Just imagine the use of "obschon" for albeit, I think this might work out:

Coffee, one of the more disgusting albeit effective potions, has been shown to cause impotence in rats.

Kaffee, eines der ekelhaftesten, obschon wirkungsvollen Trünke, hat erwiesenermßen Zeugungsunfähigkeit bei Ratten hervorgerufen.

Might work out...until rebuted...

... even rebutted

2Q2 (please, please, get a nick!), don't let dude confuse you; your sentence in #8 wasn't wrong at all.

Maybe part of the problem is just that any sentence that combines 'coffee' and 'albeit' sounds a little odd unless you add some other hifalutin words. The sentence about visiting the uncle had the same problem; it was chosen as a simple example, to show the grammar, but in real life it probably wasn't a very plausible context either. CM2DD's suggestion of checking newspapers for contextual examples is really a better idea. (Or there's a nice text corpus at the Wortschatz Uni-Leipzig online.)

'Albeit' isn't exactly old-fashioned (though it shows traces of an archaic grammatical construction), but it is a rather formal register, so it may sound better in more serious contexts.

Zu #12 und #17: Der Unterschied zwischen obwohl und wenngleich will sich mir (auch) nicht so recht erschließen.

Könnte man albeit im Kaffee-Beispielsatz nicht am ehesten mit sei es auch übersetzen, wie es der Wortherkunft in etwa entspricht?

"Kaffee, eines der ekelhafteren Trünke, (und) sei es auch wirkungsvoll, hat erwiesenermaßen Zeugungsunfähigkeit bei Ratten hervorgerufen."

Allerdings würde diese Formulierung trotzdem auch im Beispiel "Coffee, albeit disgusting, helps in waking up" als Übersetzung funktionieren, im Ggs. zu dem von dude (#9) Gesagten. Herrscht denn Einigkeit unter den Muttersprachlern, dass albeit dort tatsächlich fehl am Platze ist?

Danke hm -- us, da war ich einen Tick zu spät mit meiner Frage.

Okay, maybe I should have qualified my earlier statement better: To me, "though" sounds better in the coffee context than "albeit." No, it's not wrong per se, but to my ears, it sounds odd. I'd use "albeit" mainly when two different attributes are juxtaposed, as already mentioned in #9. Sorry if I confused anyone.

Just found this thread this morning, and remembered that I had used the word 'albeit' myself yesterday in another thread.

to wit:

"Therefore, in my opinion, employees and employers are more likely to see themselves as working towards a common goal, albeit with different methods, and in the hopes of slightly different rewards."

Siehe auch: management and labour - Sozialpartner

Without patting myself on the back, I'd consider this normal everyday usage, if a tad formal in register, and in this case - correct

*pat pat*

'To wit' is also very nice. (-:

Obviously I do not move in the same circles as dude! The word is not used by me or by anyone I know, and I do not read it anywhere either, but I am quite prepared to believe that other people do use it commonly.

As for the above, I would almost certainly have written 'for example' rather than 'to wit', and substituted 'but' for 'albeit', but that is just my personal preference.

In my own experience, "albeit" is not especially common. But it's also far from rare.

People would not use it in everyday speech, unlesss they were speaking in a deliberately ironic or high-toned way. In writing, it's more common, but it still sometimes has a bit of a high-toned or ironic or artificial feeling.

The word appeared in the New York Times 15 times in the past week. http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?query=a...

Ok, I just wished one can use albeit here. But if it sound odd than I will use your example. Thanks.

I simply cannot agree with the statement that albeit is old-fashioned or rare. I read it frequently in newspaper articles and I hear it used among my English-speaking friends often enough to reassure me that it is not in any danger of dying out.