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    Dear Mr. Smith or Mr Smith ?

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    Both seem to be used - are there any differences, such as AE/BE ?
    VerfasserTintin73 (579973) 24 Mär. 09, 16:41
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    Mr. Smith is more correct

    Mr Smith is also commonly used and perfectly acceptable.

    I don't think this has anything to do with BE vs AE.
    #1VerfasserJ UK24 Mär. 09, 16:45
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    BE generally: Mr Smith
    AE generally: Mr. Smith
    #2VerfasserY UK24 Mär. 09, 17:05
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    Actually I remember having learned (back at school) that Mr (without period) is used in BE whereas Mr. (with period) is used in AE...

    #3VerfasserAribeth24 Mär. 09, 17:08
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    Pedant's rule: no full stop after a contraction. “Contractions” are those abbreviations which contain both the first letter and the last letter of a word, e.g.

    Mr – Mister
    Dr – Doctor
    St – Saint
    Rd – Road

    Other abbreviations always take a full stop:

    Ed. - Editor
    Prof. - Professor
    U.N. - United Nations

    It may be true that this rule is observed more often in the UK than in the USA. But it can't be a BE/AE difference, because I learnt the rule from an American after living in perfect ignorance of it for over 30 years .
    #4VerfasserSteve (BE)24 Mär. 09, 18:17
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    Well, perhaps the rule has changed since I had business correspondence decades ago - we used a full stop after all abbreviations.
    #5Verfasser Carly-AE (237428) 24 Mär. 09, 18:19
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    I was told at school to put a full stop after all abbreviations, too. I don't think my so-called "rule" is very well known on either side of the Atlantic, even to pedantic buggers like me.
    #6VerfasserSteve (BE)24 Mär. 09, 18:24
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    In my school (UK) we learned your rule in #4, Steve.
    #7VerfasserCM2DD (236324) 24 Mär. 09, 18:28
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    Life is a bit short for this sort of discussion, but in BE usage, Mr is more correct, because the last letter of the abbreviated word (Master) is present. But frankly, who cares?
    #8Verfasser escoville (237761) 24 Mär. 09, 18:32
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    Steve (BE)'s rule is, more or less, the one I know as very traditional BE; I would guess it might be from one of the older editions of Fowler.

    I've never known it to apply in AE, and as Steve says, many if not most modern BE speakers aren't aware of it. I would guess that those BE speakers who still use -ize in certain words would be the same ones who would still distinguish between abbreviations with a period and those without.

    The rule in #2 and #3 is what most learners of English need to know, and in the case of 'Mr(.)' it's sufficient anyway.
    #9Verfasser hm -- us (236141) 24 Mär. 09, 18:33
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    @hm-us
    That's probably about right. I follow the contractions rule, now that I know it, and I use -ize instead of -ise too. I didn't learn the latter at school either - I got it from an episode of Inspector Morse.
    #10VerfasserSteve (BE)24 Mär. 09, 18:39
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    Just wanted to add this:

    The American spell checker that I use at work always marks Mr without a '.' as a mistake. But I usually ignore that ;-) because it looks so much nicer without a period/full stop in the middle of a sentence.... *g*
    #11Verfasser Judith_ (280776) 25 Mär. 09, 10:24
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    Chicago Manual of Style (15th edition, 2003) in ch. 15.17 social titles schreibt: Ms. Mrs. Messrs. Mr. Dr.

    Nur als Beleg für die, die hier bereits für einen AE/BE Unterschied plädiert haben. ;o)
    #12Verfasser Anja-CL (266686) 25 Mär. 09, 11:12
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    I am grateful for the answers above making a distinction between an abbreviation and a contraction. I notice too that in "The Economist - Style Guide" Mr Smith is preferred to Mr. Smith. However, in any one article the first mention of the person's name should be in full.

    The visitor's name was John Smith. This was not Mr Smith's first visit to the office.

    #13Verfasser shades of grey and gray (1314311) 28 Okt. 20, 13:39
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    I got it from an episode of Inspector Morse. (#10)


    I think Steve means this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoaPGxFqlbo

    - Now, how does he spell “apologize”? With an S. – “Civilized”? Another S.

    - What’s wrong with that?

    - Well, it’s illiterate, that’s what.

    #14Verfasser Stravinsky (637051)  28 Okt. 20, 18:10
     
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