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    an upswing in curbing dogs?

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    I have always been a bit puzzled by the abundance of dog droppings on the streets and sidewalks of this major German city I live in, since it seems so at odds with an otherwise very serious trend to cleanliness. Especially now, as a new dog owner, where I can see how simple it is to pick up what should not be left behind. Things do, however, seem to be changing a bit. Is this happening everywhere? And if so, what is behind the new sense of responsiblity of more, though sadly not all, dog owners? I have not noticed any ad campaigns here, but perhaps I just missed them. Have there been changes in the law? In enforcement? I've not had a dog long enough to have picked up on any of this.
    Verfasser Selkie (236097) 20 Sep. 10, 09:38
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    Könnte sein, dass es 'changes in law enforcement' gegeben hat.

    Beispiel aus AT:
    In Wien gab es die vielgeschmähte Kampagne 'nimm ein Sackerl fürs Gackerl' *räusper* - geholfen hat es anscheinend schon, jedenfalls wurde darüber diskutiert und ich konnte bei meinem letzten Wienbesuch tatsächlich Hundebesitzer beim Aufsammeln beobachten, was mir zuvor in 8 Jahren Wien nicht untergekommen war.
    #1Verfasser tigger (236106) 20 Sep. 10, 09:44
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    Die letzten zwei Orte, in denen ich gewohnt habe, haben eine Bußgeldverordnung, in der ein Hundehaufen 50 € kostet... ( https://www.stadtwerke-erfurt.de/pb/site/sweg... )da nehmen viele wohl doch lieber eines der kostenlosen Tütchen und sammeln die Haufen ein...
    #2Verfasser GuggstDu (427193) 20 Sep. 10, 09:48
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    Der Trend ist - meines Eindrucks nach - generell und nicht nur auf Deutschland beschraenkt. Auch in Frankreich kann man mittlerweile oft in gerader Strecke auf dem Fussgaengerweg laufen.

    Ich halte es fuer eine Mischung aus neuem Bewusstsein und peer pressure. Ich selbst bin kein Hundebesitzer und hielt es vor 10 Jahren fuer ein unabwindbares Aergernis, da ich selbst niemals mit einer Tuete hinter meinem (hypothetischen) Hund hergelaufen waere. Inzwischen, nach der beobachteten neuen Reinlichkeit, bin ich bei einer "Sollen sie gefaelligst aufheben, taete ich ja auch"-Einstellung angelangt.
    #3Verfasser Mausling (384473) 20 Sep. 10, 10:03
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    Nur am Rande eine Vokabelfrage: to curb heißt also (unter anderem) "den Gehsteig/Randstein beschmutzen"? Steht das schon in LEO? ;-)
     
    Edit: Nein, es steht soweit ich sehen kann nicht mal im Forum erklärt. Natürlich kann man es sich, zumal aus einem Artikel wie #0, herleiten. Ein Neueeintrag wäre aber auch nicht verkehrt.
    #4Verfasser Lady Grey (235863) 20 Sep. 10, 10:15
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    Perhaps this is just the backlash of disgruntled smokers who have spent years on the margins of society, being fair game for picking on by all and sundry...they too want someone they can despise and publicly upbraid for antisocial behaviour...

    Seriously, I was surprised that my friend was told off for taking a nanosecond too long to get out the plastic bag after her dog had done the deed smack in the middle of Schanzenviertel. I mean, it's not as if that is Hambug's cleanest quarter, is it? And the guy who complained was a typical Schanzenviertel-inhabitant / frequenter, too. I just can't see this happening in Cologne, though, more's the pity.
    #5Verfasser Spinatwachtel (341764) 20 Sep. 10, 10:21
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    you are kidding, Selkie, right???

    As an American you find that Germans leave TOO much "poop" on the streets??? Come on, I don't know where you are from in the States, but as an American, I can assure you that I have NEVER seen an American pick up a "pile" in Florida, Louisiana, Georgia, Kentucky or Texas....
    #6Verfasser DD (AE) (412799) 20 Sep. 10, 10:28
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    #6 I don't see Selkie comparing it to the USA at all; she just seems to be comparing Germany past to Germany present.

    Oh, and if she's just using "to curb" the usual way, she means people stopping their dogs from leaving their business behind. Or have I missed a rather good new term? :-) Siehe Wörterbuch: to curb
    #7VerfasserCM2DD (236324) 20 Sep. 10, 10:45
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    CM2DD, Ich hatte es falsch verstanden. I was under the impression that Selkie was complaining about dog waste getting more prevalent rather than less.
    #8Verfasser Lady Grey (235863) 20 Sep. 10, 10:53
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    @ 7...I know she was not comparing...I just find it amusing that an American would complain about "poop" on German streets at all, considering how it is NEVER picked up in the US...
    #9Verfasser DD (AE) (412799) 20 Sep. 10, 11:44
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    Hier in Berlin wird es meines Wissens vom Ordnungsamt geahndet, wenn der Fiffi schmutzt, oder ohne Leine läuft. Auf dem Weg von der U-Bahn zu meiner Arbeitsstätte komme ich an zwei Tütenspenderautomaten vorbei, wo es kostenlose Aufsammeltüten für Lumpis Hinterlassenschaft gibt. Ich habe auch schon Leute gesehen, die sie benutzten.
    #10VerfasserJule (236478) 20 Sep. 10, 11:48
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    Im Radio habe ich kürzlich einen Bericht über eine "Bürgerinitiative" in Berlin gehört, die es sich zur Aufgabe gemacht hat, herrenlose Hundehaufen mit Fähnchen ("100 g nur 1,99 €" o.Ä.) zu versehen, um auf das Problem aufmerksam zu machen. Zwar etwas eklig, aber auch witzig. Siehe:

    http://shithappens-berlin.de/?page_id=2
    #11Verfasser Nicki (DE) (616721) 20 Sep. 10, 12:19
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    Nicki, das ist ja richtig originell, ich glaube, da bestelle ich gleich welche für unser Stadtviertel. "Gut gemacht, Fiffi", "Haufen sucht Herrchen" etc. LOL!
    #12Verfasser Spinatwachtel (341764) 20 Sep. 10, 12:40
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    "to curb a dog", as I understand it, first meant "have your dog poop on the street side of the curb" but now means "scoop up the poop and take it with you." Hence all the pooper-scoopers and sundry for sale in the US.

    As to the US, DD, if we were going to compare Germany and the US: I can't say what the current state of dog poop is elsewhere in the States, but where I am from (upstate New York), everyone is an avid scooper. Always has been. I never scraped poop off a shoe until I moved here.

    At any rate, there is a lot less poop around Hamburg than there used to be.

    Now that you mention it, I do remember around 12 years ago seeing little orange "Uns stink's!" signs littering the sidewalks where I lived then.
    #13Verfasser Selkie (236097) 20 Sep. 10, 12:55
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    In Paris gab es / gibt es noch die so schön als Merde-mobiles bezeichneten Minifahrzeuge, die die Häufchen entfernten. Und ich muss sagen, auch dort ist das Problem kleiner geworden.
    #14VerfasserJule (236478) 20 Sep. 10, 13:16
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    Interesting: Merriam-Webster says "curb" can also mean " to lead (a dog) to a suitable place (as a gutter) for defecation", so it looks like the spelling similarity in AE between "to curb" and what we Brits spell a "kerb" has caused the meaning of the verb to be extended in AE. I haven't heard it in BE.
    #15VerfasserCM2DD (236324) 20 Sep. 10, 13:40
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    I'm not a dog owner, so maybe I'm behind the times, but I thought 'to curb a dog' did indeed mean to have the dog do its business in the gutter, i.e., next to the curb -- just as M-W says. I can't see how it would mean to pick up the mess, since that doesn't necessarily even relate to the presence or absence of a curb.

    In my experience people do indeed scoop their dog's poop in the US if they live in larger cities or apartment complexes, just not necessarily in smaller towns or suburbs. That makes sense to me; with a lot of people using the same small areas to walk in, and parks or small grassy spots at a premium, dog waste is more of a problem, and you often see little baggie dispensers in public areas. But where there's plenty of grass, and in any case no sidewalks, the odd heap at the edge of a yard isn't as big a problem.
    #16Verfasser hm -- us (236141) 20 Sep. 10, 18:00
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    A quick internet search uncovers the origional "curb your dog" idea from NYC in the 1930s:
    In New York, truly a doggy city, an ordinance has been passed to make for a cleaner city and at the same time compel the indifferent dog owner to consider public welfare. The ordinance demands that dogs be curbed. There are signs everywhere with the request, "Curb your dog." It means that owners cannot allow their pets to soil buildings, nor can a dog make a nuisance of himself on the grass of the parkway or on the sidewalk. As a result there are practically no complaints about the dogs soiling sidewalks or grassy places which the public uses. Any one not curbing his dog when the occasion demands it is given a ticket and must go to court and pay a fine.

    and many of the sites add that today it is understood to include scooping the poop, since having the gutters full of dog poop is clearly not an attractive option.
    #17Verfasser Selkie (236097) 20 Sep. 10, 19:35
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    I would guess that "curb your dog" originally meant just what it still means to us Brits - restrain your dog (e.g. from pooping everywhere) - and then the spelling of "curb" in AE, combined with the signs, meant people understood it as "take your dog to the kerb", until eventually that meaning also entered Merriam-Webster.
    Looks like some people aren't aware of the meaning "take your dog to the kerb" even in the US, though: http://www.ournewoffice.com/2010/curb-your-do... - is it used in some parts of the US but not others? This photo from Chicago seems to use it to mean "restrain", for instance: http://southloopdogpoop.files.wordpress.com/2...
    #18VerfasserCM2DD (236324) 20 Sep. 10, 20:16
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    Interesting idea, though I'm not sure there's necessarily any direct connection between 'curb' meaning to restrain, as in prevent from biting or jumping, and 'curb' meaning take to the curb, lead to the gutter, which seems to have been the meaning already in the 1930s NYC ordinance, for instance. I don't know when the AE and BE spellings diverged, but many things like that go back roughly as far as Webster.

    With the population density and the number of dog owners nowadays, it's true that even gutters might not be a very good solution in a city the size of New York. But it's still significantly better than the sidewalk, and back then it was probably a great improvement. At least in a city like that, the streets are usually cleaned regularly by street-sweeping machines in the small hours. And people don't usually walk in the street the way they do in suburbs, since there are sidewalks and you can step from the curb directly into a vehicle. Presumably even in the 1930s, dog owners used some common sense and didn't choose a spot right in front of a crosswalk or entrance or whatever.

    But it's been an interesting evolution over the centuries from the times when people threw all kinds of household waste into the gutter, and gutters (and in fact curbs?) were evidently more or less developed for that purpose.
    #19Verfasser hm -- us (236141) 20 Sep. 10, 22:26
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    Vielleicht hat ja auch dieses Spielzeug die Leute zum Umdenken gebracht? http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B003CJJE4Y/re... (örks, was ein Riesenlink).

    Aber Hunde auf die Straßenseite kacken zu lassen, halte ich auch nicht für eine gute Idee -- da fahre ich mit dem Fahrrad entlang!
    #20Verfasser Beel (661006) 20 Sep. 10, 23:32
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    Die Wiese ist auch keine gute Idee, besonders auf beliebten Spazierwegen nicht. Kinder fallen gerne mal hin, wenn sie gerade das Laufen lernen, oder Laufrad fahren, oder Fahrrad fahren, oder auch einfach mal so ... mein Sohn ist neulich in einem Hundehaufen gelandet.
    #21Verfasser Jalapeño (236154) 20 Sep. 10, 23:34
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    Meine Tochter (zweieinhalb) war heute vor dem Zubettgehen noch mit ihrer Maltafel beschäftigt: "Ich habe einen Baum gemalt. Mit Hundekacke." Neukölln.
    #22Verfasser wupperwolf (411909) 21 Sep. 10, 20:24
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    An enjoyable thread to read, but I didn't feel like I had anything to add to Selkie's thread until I saw this on CBSNews.com today - strictly FYI:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/22/tec...
    #23Verfasser Agalinis (714472) 22 Sep. 10, 19:05
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    In Dänemark, am Strand, habe ich dieses Jahr viele Beispiele für die neue Dog Couture gesehen: Eine schmal zusammengefaltete Plastikfüte, die schleifenartig am Halsband befestigt war.

    Natürlich könnten die Hundebesitzer die Tüte auch in der Tasche tragen, aber dann wäre nicht auf den ersten Blick klar, dass diese Hundebesitzer die Haufen ihrer Hunde entfernen wollen.

    Ich denke, es findet ein Umdenken statt. Der Vergleich zum Rauchen ist gut: Verschmutzung ist nicht mehr gesellschaftlich akzeptiert und immer mehr andere Menschen trauen sich, etwas zu sagen. Für die Verschmutzer wird es so völlig normal, die Verschmutzung zu beseitigen.
    #24Verfasser Corduli [de] (7520) 23 Sep. 10, 08:58
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    Great story. The dog park we go to is very dark at night, a poop light would be most welcome.

    I decided to take a little informal poll among dog owners in my neighbourhood (12 scoopers all told, so it is an inherently flawed poll) and they said that they now scoop for one or more of three reasons: 1) comments made by other dog owners and/or neighbours who convinced them it was the right thing to do, 2) an upswing in "Ordungshüter" who were apparently out in full force about a year and a half ago handing out 50 Euro tickets and 3) the widespread accessablity of free poop bags. (You can pick up a set of 50 for nothing at Budni and many people hang some on their front fence for those in dire need.) All expressed annoyance at non-scoopers who "give the rest of us a bad name" and mentioned word of mouth as their first reason. One was an avid converter with the light of a true fanatic in his eyes who approaches any non-scooper he sees. (The owner of the St. Bernard also noted that she would like to have access to bigger bags, but what do you expect if you get a dog the size of a small pony?) So that's the scoop from this end of Germany.
    #25Verfasser Selkie (236097) 23 Sep. 10, 09:01
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    Ooh, Selkie, can you send your avid converted scooper to Barmbek, please? I haven't noticed any improvement in my neighborhood...
    #26Verfasser helga_HH (247600) 23 Sep. 10, 09:50
     
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