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    Why do we say "Who caught whom?" and not "Who did catch whom?"

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    Why do we say "Who caught whom?" and not "Who did catch whom?"

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    I was explaining to my students the difference between who and whom and gave them the following sample sentence: Who caught whom.
    Afterwards one of them asked me why we say "Who caught whom?" and not "Who did catch whom?". I didn't (and still don't know) the answer. Can anybody help?
    VerfasserSamantha26 Sep. 10, 17:37
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    It's the same as the explanation for any use of the emphatic mode:

    "I do catch" vs. "I catch". The purpose of the do/did is emphasis.

    I can't imagine any case where "who did catch whom?" would be used.
    #1Verfasser eric (new york) (63613) 26 Sep. 10, 17:45
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    It is a so called subject question. In this case the English language has no "circumscription" with a form of to do:

    - Who has seen my book?
    - What surprised you?
    - Which boy has brought the letter?
    #2Verfasser Reinhard W. (237443) 26 Sep. 10, 17:51
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    Yes I understand that, Eric. The question was why it isn't used. We say for example: Whom did Mary see? Why, then, don't we say: Who did see whom?
    #3VerfasserSamantha26 Sep. 10, 17:52
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    you can certainly say "who did see whom?"

    Example:

    First I though Dave was dating Joanie, but then it seemed like Joanie was hanging out more with Jim, and Dave and Katie got along great, too. The whole thing was very confusing at the end.

    So who did see / was seeing whom then, do you think?
    #4Verfasser dude (253248) 26 Sep. 10, 18:02
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    So you don't want the explanation you give to help students remember when to use "do"; you want the historical explanation of how "do" came to be used in English? That's harder; AFAIK none of us are experts in the subject.
    #5Verfasser CM2DD (236324) 26 Sep. 10, 18:08
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    I just want a simple explanation why we'd rather say "Who saw whom" instead of "Who did see whom". An explanation that students will understand. Reinhard W. already touched on it but perhaps somebody could elaborate?

    Thanks for all your help.
    #6VerfasserSamantha26 Sep. 10, 18:12
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    Certainly you can, dude, but that's for emphasis, wouldn't you agree?

    As far as a straightforward question, with no particular emphasis, is concerned, Reinhard is correct: It's the difference between a subject question and an object question surely.

    Who caught whom? Subject question.
    Whom did s/he catch? Object question.
    #7Verfasser SD3 (451227) 26 Sep. 10, 18:13
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    Ok, then.

    You write "do" in a question before rhe subject:

    Mary likes fish.
    What does Mary like?

    After "do" the next thing is always the subject.
    When the question IS the subject, obviously you can't put the subject after "do", so there is no "do".

    Mary likes fish.
    Who likes fish?
    Not: Who does Mary like fish?
    #8Verfasser CM2DD (236324) 26 Sep. 10, 18:16
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    yes, it is for emphasis. I didn't mean to imply anything else.
    #9Verfasser dude (253248) 26 Sep. 10, 18:16
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    OK, moving on now to 'wh- questions'?
    This type of question is introduced by one of the question words:
    'what', 'where', 'when', 'why', 'who', 'which', 'whose' - and 'how' is also included in this group. 'Wh- questions' are information questions, so we can't simply answer them with a 'yes' or a 'no' - unlike the 'yes-no' questions we just looked at.

    Your teacher mentions 'wh-questions' in which the question word is the subject, or part of the subject. And an example of this type of question is:
    A. Who wants more coffee?
    B. Yes, please!

    When the question word is the subject - 'who' in this example - the auxiliary 'do' isn't needed and the word order is:
    subject (who) + verb (wants) + object or complement (more coffee).

    A. Who wants more coffee?

    The question word can also be part of a subject complement, as in this example:
    A. Whose cup of coffee is this?
    B. It's mine.
    This question means, 'Who is the owner of this cup of coffee?' The question word 'whose' is part of a subject complement, 'whose cup of coffee'.
    'Is' is the verb and 'this' is the subject.

    In all the other types of question mentioned by your teacher, the word order is: question word + auxiliary ('have', 'do', 'be' or a modal, like 'can') + subject + verb.
    I'll give you some examples next...
    Here's one where the question word is acting as an object:
    A. Who did you meet there?
    B. I met an old friend.
    In this example, 'who' is the question word and 'did' is the auxiliary.
    'Who' is referring to the object of the sentence, the person I met.

    In the next example, the question word is acting as an adverb, meaning that it is giving us more information about the verb 'get':
    A. Where can I get another cup of coffee?
    B. In that café over there!

    The word order is still:
    question word (where) + auxiliary (can) + subject (I) and verb (get).
    'Where can I get another cup of coffee?'

    Finally, here's a question - again with the same word order - in which the 'wh-word' is the complement of a preposition:
    A. Where did you get that coffee from?
    B. Vietnam, of course!

    In spoken English, the preposition (in this example, the preposition is 'from') is usually separated from its complement.



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningeng...
    #10VerfasserClaudia (De)26 Sep. 10, 18:23
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    Great, that's exactly what I was after. Thanks a bunch:)
    #11VerfasserSamantha26 Sep. 10, 18:31
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    "Subject Questions
    There are also subject questions. These are questions that we ask to find out about the subject. When what, which, who or whose refers to the subject, the question word comes before the verb without the use of the auxiliary verb.

    For example:-

    If the answer is "The train to London was late." the question would be "Which train was late?"
    If the answer is "I won the race." the question would be "Who won the race?"

    More examples:-

    Object questions:-
    What did you do today?
    Which film did you like best?
    Who did I phone?

    Subject questions:-
    What happened today?
    Which film is best?
    Who phoned me?

    http://www.learnenglish.de/grammar/questionte...
    #12Verfasser Reinhard W. (237443) 26 Sep. 10, 18:34
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    Claudia came first. :-)
    #13Verfasser Reinhard W. (237443) 26 Sep. 10, 18:38
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    Nein, eigentlich du in #2. :-)
    #14VerfasserClaudia26 Sep. 10, 18:40
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    Note that it is indeed possible to ask:

    1. Whom did John catch?
    2. Whom did who catch?
    #15Verfasser ion1122 (443218) 26 Sep. 10, 20:58
     
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