Al aka Alfred aka Manfred.
irgendwie erkennd man deine postings erkännt man imer an den fielen schöhnen rechtschreipfelern (und der länge).

I am going to talk to my boss today and inform him re. our conversation but I do have a few second thoughts. I realized that ACTARIS and Landis & Gyr are involved in PLC technology. From today’s point of view, ACTARIS already developed the PLC modem and also the PLC collector, respectively the PLC data collector, while Landis & Gyr has only the PLC modem currently.

From my point of view, it is very important to figure out what our chances are to be successful in case that we will have finished the development of the PLC modem till the middle of next year, as both companies would currently be inclined to deliver this technology to X.

I will do my best that we together will be successful with X.

Arten wir hier jetzt schon zu einem Übersetzungsbüro aus ???

If someone has the time and will to help others, however cheeky (!), why not?!

fritzi u.a.: Ich habe eine Reihe von Betriebshandbüchern zu übersetzen, total ca. 72 000 Wörter. Kann ich die hier mal aufführen, so dass mir jemand die übersetzen kann? Kostenlos natürlich!

Wie wär's, Al?

@ hein m: teil davon, vielleicht, aber nur gegen korrektur und pointing out my mistakes so that I can learn something for the future

@hein: nein! :-) Aber jeder kann für sich entscheiden, ob er anderen Hilfe leisten will, oder?

@baer
"re." - ouch!
"respectively" - ouch! ouch!!!!
"till the middle of next year" - ouch! ouch! ouch!
"that we together will be successful with X" - stop, this is hurting!!!!

@Al:
Pay a proper translator! Or take baer's suggestion if you want to save money - you get what you deserve...

Noch mehr ouches:

…it nur den PLC modem -> das
t ist ES an dieser Stell…
wie gross->groß
ir bis mitte..->Mitte
wir mit dir bei X erfolgreich w…-> SEHR großes OUCH

(und noch mehr.)

badger, der Ausgangstext ist eh schon schlecht.
Da kommt es auf ein paar Fehler nicht an.
Außerdem stellt Al alle paar Tage seine Geschäftskorrespondenz hier rein.
Alles gleich schlecht geschrieben.

fritzi: Stimmt schon, aber nach so viel Ü. zu fragen geht doch wohl ein bisschen weit...

einverstanden!

Lass sie dich nicht verarschen! Folgend eine Übersetzung ohne absichtlich eingebaute graviende und äußerst peinliche Fehler!

I will have been talking at my bossman today and informing him re. our conversationalisations but that I do have a several second or third-hand thoughts. I came on teh realization that ACTARIS and Landis & Gyr are involvementisating themselves in PLC technology. In a contemporary sense, ACTARIS already developed the PLC modem and also the PLC collector, respectively the PLC data collector, while Landis & Gyr has only the PLC modem currently now at the mo'.

From my embedded first-person perspective, it is very important figuring out what our chances are to being successful in case that we will have done been finished the development of the PLC modem until the middle-parts of next year, as both companies are to currently be found inclined to be doing delivering this technology to X.

I will do my utmostest bestest that we together will be successful with X.

Respekt, Jeffrey. Respekt.

warum alle so kompliziert. Die Übersetzung von "x" ist m.E. "X" (im Deutschen eher groß geschrieben), als Bezeichnung für etwas Unbekanntes.

Danke, Herr bzw, Frau x, ich finde es suuuuuuuuuuuper schrecklich wie manche leute hier (ich nenne keine Namen!!!) absichtlich falsche Vorschläge machen nur weil die Leute, die nach Hilfe bitten, etwas dämmlich sind.

Hallo "Jeffrey's Saucer " ,


danke für die ausführliche Antwort.

Leute danke, für eure Resonanz mich beim Forum zu "unterstützen". Bei mir könnt ihr immer eure langeweile ablassen.

@ badger:

Usually, I am a very patient and friendly person but your behaviour in responding to other people's questions is just so bad.

If you feel personally offended by every wrong translation, stay out of here.

Honestly, you are wasting your time just posting your bl... comments which are not at all helpful but just useless.

You blame other people for not helping and misusing LEO and exactly are you doing all the time?

@AI Thu Oct 27 14:41:15 2005:

Falls dieser Eintrag tatsächlich vom Frager kommt: Dir ist hoffentlich klar, dass die Übersetzung von Jeffrey's Saucer voller absichtlicher Fehler ist und mit Englisch herzlich wenig zu tun hat, oder? Solltest du das so abschicken, machst du dich vollkommen lächerlich...

@"Someone who is very upset"
Can't you use your normal nickname so we at least know who you are?
And you obviously find baer's translation fantastic, don't you?

There are too many jokers and time-wasters on this thread - I withdraw.

@someonewhoisupset

Der umfangreiche Text war ja offensichtlich für viele hier eher eine Zumutung.
Also sollte imho doch der Versuch von baer, ihn überhaupt zu übersetzen, und dann die Hinweise von Badger auf die Stellen in baers Text, die man verbessern könnte/sollte, eher positiv gesehen werden.

@ badger:

Very good decision.

Maybe I just got you completely wrong. You're perfect and hilariously sarcastic.

@ Jena: my comments to badger were not meant as an offence to anyone else. It's just that I read his offensive and aggressive postings very often and I think he should change the tone. That's not constructive criticism...

@badger: you probably won't see this then, but I'd like to ask you 2 simple questions....

Why did you respond to baer by picking out errors and writing "ouch" next to them without offering your your own suggestions or improvements?

Why do only half the job?

@Eliza: I find the original posting more offensive than anything I've ever seen from badger. The poster here seems to assume that translation is something that anyone can do in no time at all, and thus isn't worth paying for. I've had it up to here *hand at hairline level* with people who present a text in German and think "translation" is a matter of typing it up in a different language.

@Richard: when the work is unpaid, I think one ought to be permitted to pick and choose how much of it one actually carries out.

@badger: and given your attitude to the initial request (which I partly agree with, by the way) why not just ignore the thread completely?

If people posting large chunks of text failed to receive a response, perhaps they would just stop doing it?

Having said that, I also agree with fritzi's initial comment: if people have the time and inclination to respond positively, let them. It's no skin off anybody else's nose is it?.

@Richard
"and given your attitude to the initial request (which I partly agree with, by the way) why not just ignore the thread completely?"
---because baer's translation is not good, and other users should be informed so that they don't use it or begin to think that "re." or "respectively" are proper English as they are used here.

"It's no skin off anybody else's nose is it?."
---well then why criticise me for doing half of the work. I don't see too many useful contributions here yet from your good self, come to think of it.

@ Maria E.

I totally agree with Richard. If no one responds to such postings, they stop doing it.

Everybody has his/her own free will to decide whether to answer a question or offer a translation or not.

IMO, badger takes great amusement in offensing other people. If he is indeed such a perfect native speaker, why waste the time with such postings instead of giving a proper translations????

@MariaE: fair point, but indicating errors without offering suggestions doesn't really move the situation along much, does it? It may be voluntary, but it's about assistance, not about getting the red pencil out. An explanation of WHY something is wrong would be more constructive IMHO.

But the people who post huge chunks of test are....optimistic (OK, cheeky) I agree.

But you, for example are making a reasonable point in a reasoned manner. I hope I am responding in the same way. Some people, however, seem to be incapable of doing so. EG: why write "jokers and time-wasters" when only one person is being responded to? To me, that comes across as unnecessarily contemptuous.

@badger: I didn't criticise you, I asked you a question.
Thanks for answering it.

Neutral betrachtet, ist es oft beeindruckend, um wieviel besser der englische Text ist als das Ausgangsprodukt.

Der Satz passt manchmal, deswegen SCNR

"An explanation of WHY something is wrong would be more constructive IMHO."
Again, my dear kind Richard, where are your constructive comments here?

"EG: why write "jokers and time-wasters" when only one person is being responded to? To me, that comes across as unnecessarily contemptuous."
- Ah, so you take Jeffrey's Saucer and co. seriously, do you?

If you have something to add to the translation here, please do it. Otherwise "for example are making a reasonable point in a reasoned manner" is just a pretence for making personal attacks yourself. (We've had that here before - accuse somebody else of being aggressive and then use that as an excuse for all sorts of personal agendas...)

Ich würde hier gerne mal eine Lanze brechen wollen für den guten alten badger. Vergleicht man nämlich seine Antworten der letzten anderthalb, zwei Wochen mit denen, die er davor gegeben hat, so ist doch eine immense Verbesserung festzustellen: Er nimmt jetzt immerhin Abstand von offensichtlichen Beleidigungen, wie z.B. you fool, idiot, und unterstellt einem nicht mehr, dass man die 'subtle hints' in seinen Kommentaren nicht kapiert.
Dafür, dass er keinerlei Verständnis für Humor hat und nicht zwischen ernstgemeinten Vorschlägen und albernen Vorschlägen (die hier z.B. die Qualität der Anfrage widerspiegeln) unterscheiden kann, kann er doch nichts, der Arme. Sollten wir alle nicht einfach nur froh und dankbar sein dafür, dass wir von ihm zum Nachdenken animiert werden, wo und wie wir unsere Übersetzungsvorschläge (ok, nicht die in diesem Faden) verbessern können?
Bitte, badger, wenn du diese Zeilen liest, würdest du mir dann einen Wunsch erfüllen? Würdest du bitte mir (und deinen - da bin ich sicher - vielen anderen) Bewunderern verraten, a) ob du männlich oder weiblich bist, b) woher du kommst (nur das Land, nicht die vollständige Adresse), und, am allerwichtigsten, c) welchen Beruf du ausübst?
Vielen Dank bereits im Voraus, deine

You guys are all hilarious !!! Thanks for entertaining me :-)

@badger:"EG: why write "jokers and time-wasters" when only one person is being responded to? To me, that comes across as unnecessarily contemptuous."
- Ah, so you take Jeffrey's Saucer and co. seriously, do you?

No I don't. But I feel no need to insult them either.
And this time you haven't answered the question.

The opinion expressed above has nothing to do with an "agenda", personal or otherwise; it's an opinion of mine about manners in general.

Please note also that I don't adopt a patronising form of address.

And now, as I have , for the first time ever, no actual translation contribution to make (thought it was going to be about x, you see) I'll go.

Sorry RiKo, I am not going to react to your oh-so-innocent provocation and personal comments.

Anybody who is really interested in why "re.", "respectively", etc. are wrong should look around in LEO or in a good printed dictionary.

Richard: if you can't see how pointing out bad translations is a useful service, well then I can't help you. Oh, and still waiting for your linguistics-realted contribution, Richard...

please stay, badger!!!