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    Hallo,
    ich habe oft Probleme Sätze mit (bis zur) / (bis zum) zu bilden.
    Gibt es dort bestimmte Regeln?
    Zum Beispiel:

    Ich ging zur Schule bis zur 12ten Klasse.
    Ich blieb auf der Party bis zum Ende.
    Der Fernseher kostet bis zu 1000 Euro.


    Normalerweise würde ich up to verwenden.
    I went to school up to the 12th grade.
    I was at the the party up to the end.
    The television is up to 1000 Euros.

    Ist das so richtig oder nimmt man until/till?

    Vielen Dank schon einmal im Voraus!
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    Kontext ist hierbei ein informelles Gespräch. Es sollte aber kein Slang sein.
    Verfasserderspot (734029) 10 Feb. 13, 15:29
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    "When you're talking about time, up to is followed by a general term that covers a span of time. Until is followed by a specific point in time.

    Examples:
    I can wait up to three days for your answer (but I can't wait any longer).
    I can wait until 5:00 for your answer (but I can't wait any longer)."

    http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php...
    #1Verfasser Reinhard W. (237443) 10 Feb. 13, 16:00
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    In your examples I would say:
    I went to school up to the 12th grade.
    I was at the party till the end.
    The television costs up to 1000 euros.
    #2Verfasser hermarphromoose (169674) 10 Feb. 13, 19:31
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    First of all, thanks to both of you!! :)

    But I don't get why hermarphromoose is using "up to" in the first example.
    I mean the 12th grade is a specific point in time, isnt it?
    #3Verfasserderspot (734029) 11 Feb. 13, 17:40
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    I admit, with the first one the first thing that came to mind was "till" the 12th grade, and then after I thought about it a bit, decided that "up to" fit better. But I think this is one example that could really go either way, depending on how you view the time unit "12th grade".
    If you think of it as a unit lasting a whole year long, then "up to" is right. If you think of it more as like a single step in a sequence (1st grade being the 1st step, then 2nd grade, 3rd, and so on all the way up to 12), then I think "till" works too.

    (Now I am making myself unsure, though, after seeing how I used "up to 12" in my last sentence. *sigh*)
    #4Verfasser hermarphromoose (169674) 11 Feb. 13, 19:44
     
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