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    comprise of / comprise

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    The area comprises of a mixed residential and commercial zone.

    Said property will be comprised of a multi-residential building.

    The fit-out comprises of hard wood floors, ....
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    Ich habe die anderen Fäden zu "comprise /of" durchgesehen, aber irgendwie werde ich daraus nicht ganz schlau.
    Das "comprise of" im Passiv anwendbar ist, leuchtet mir ein, aber bei Beispiel 1 und 3 klingt das " of" in meinen Ohren irgendwie komisch....

    Könnt ihr mir mal eure Meinung dazu sagen?

    Vielen Dank,
    VerfasserSteffi25 Jun. 07, 14:18
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    Das Gebiet besteht aus...
    Besagter Besitz wird aus...bestehen...
    Die Einrichtung besteht aus..

    ..wo genau liegt da Dein Problem? Das sind ja im Prinzip alles passivische Konstruktionen.. dabei bedeutet comprise immer "consist of" ´..
    #1VerfasserUMG2 (328026) 25 Jun. 07, 14:27
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    "Because it means the same as consist of, it is sometimes confused with this and followed by 'of', but this use is ungrammatical: The instructions comprised of two sheets of A5 paper."

    http://www.chambersharrap.co.uk/chambers/feat...

    You're quite right, Steffi.
    #2Verfasser CM2DD (236324) 25 Jun. 07, 14:29
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    Vielleicht hätte ich in Sprachlabor posten sollen... Ich verstehe den Sinn ja... aber als ich den englischen Text Korrektur gelesen habe, wollte ich das "of" erstmal streichen, weil es einfach komisch klingt in meinen Ohren. Aber manchmal mögen meine Ohren auch ganz falsche Sachen und vice versa ;-(

    Vielleicht noch mehr Kommentare .....??? ;-)
    #3VerfasserSteffi25 Jun. 07, 14:34
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    It's wrong, but a common mistake (see Chambers, above). It should be "The area comprises a mixed residential and commercial zone".
    #4Verfasser CM2DD (236324) 25 Jun. 07, 14:43
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    ..ah, jetzt verstehe auch ich.. DANKE!
    #5VerfasserUMG2 (328026) 25 Jun. 07, 15:16
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    Danke auch euch beiden!
    #6VerfasserSteffi25 Jun. 07, 16:07
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    just to conclude things here:

    the passive version (a) is composed with "of", the active version (b) without:

    a) the ladder is comprised of 2 wooden bars

    b) the facility comprises 2 separate buildings

    am i right?
    #7VerfasserMI631 Mär. 08, 16:03
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    NOAD:
    compose - ...
    USAGE: Compose and comprise are often confused, but can be sorted out. The parts compose (make up) the whole; the whole comprises (contains) the parts. ...
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    No. Your sentence (a) is wrong. You should not use 'comprise' with 'of' at all.

    It's a very, very common mistake, even in books and newspapers, but don't imitate it.

    Use 'consist of' or 'be composed of' instead.

    1a) A sentence is composed of / consists of a subject and a predicate.
    1b) A subject and a predicate constitute / make up a sentence.
    2a) The group is composed of / consists of teachers and parents.
    2b) Teachers and parents constitute / make up the group.


    Those are the normal ways to express this idea.

    In much more formal contexts, you could also say

    1a) A sentence comprises a subject and a predicate.
    1b) A subject and a predicate compose a sentence.
    2a) The group comprises teachers and parents.
    2b) Teachers and parents compose the group.


    However, these words tend to sound stiff and unfamiliar. In my opinion, you don't really need to use them.

    #8Verfasser hm -- us (236141) 31 Mär. 08, 20:53
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    @ #8

    You should not use 'comprise' with 'of' at all.

    Hat sich daran irgendetwas in den letzten 11 Jahren geändert?


    Mit

    Siehe Wörterbuch: comprise

    findet man als letzten Eintrag:

    sth. comprises of --- etw.[Nom.] wird aus ... gebildet

    #9Verfasser Emil 14 (299747) 24 Apr. 19, 15:05
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    The final entry in Siehe Wörterbuch: comprise ("sth. comprises of") is flat-out wrong.


    The same thing can be said of the final entry in the Forum Discussion topics, with the sentence "The Eurocard Marks comprise of the word element EUROCARD." Also wrong.


    To build on an example presented by hm--us (#8):


    A) A sentence is composed of a subject and a predicate. Normal, standard English.

    B) A sentence consists of a subject and a predicate. Also normal, standard English.

    C) A sentence comprises a subject and a predicate. Standard English, but generally used only in formal contexts.

    D) A sentence is comprised of a subject and a predicate. Not the traditional usage, rejected by purists, but still frequently used. (Aside: this was the usage I picked up when I was young, but learned only much later that it was considered incorrect. Nevertheless, I have the impression that this non-traditional usage is now more common than (C). )

    E) *A sentence comprises of a subject and a predicate. Just wrong, to my ears, at least.



    #10Verfasser Martin--cal (272273)  24 Apr. 19, 17:39
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    Vielen Dank!

    Inzwischen habe ich gefunden, dass "sth. comprises of" schon mal zur Streichung vorgeschlagen wurde:

    Siehe auch: sth. comprises of... - etw. [Nom.] wird aus ....

    Das findet man eben nur mit "comprises" (oder aus Versehen).

    #11Verfasser Emil 14 (299747) 24 Apr. 19, 18:09
     
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