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    baker's dozen - dreizehn


    a baker's dozen of x


    dreizehn x

    Beispiele/ Definitionen mit Quellen
    No, indeed; I never care to hatch eggs unless I've a nice snug nest, in some quiet place, with a baker's dozen of eggs under me.

    Ozma of Oz by Baum, L. Frank
    Verfasserwmw (386353) 22 Mai 11, 19:03
    Kontext/ Beispiele
    Baker's dozen

    Thirteen or, more rarely, fourteen.

    Baker's dozenIt's widely believed that this phrase originated from the practice of medieval English bakers giving an extra loaf when selling a dozen in order to avoid being penalized for selling short weight. This is an attractive story and, unlike many that inhabit the folk memory, it appears to be substantially true. We can say a little more to flesh out that derivation though.

    baker’s dozen

    Example It was a very large nest, with a clutch of about a baker’s dozen of eggs in it.
    (Note In medieval England the baker was an unpopular figure, selling at high prices and trying to cheat customers by giving short weight. Strict penalties were introduced in 13th-century legislation, and in order to avoid these (and to make themselves more popular) bakers started to introduce an extra loaf, called a ‘vantage loaf’, with every 12-loaf order. A ‘devil’s dozen’ is also 13, and was a reference to the number of witches who were said to congregate at a summons from the devil.)

    No, the entry stays like it is. You use " a baker's dozen" as you use "a dozen"; they can stand for themselfes, or they carry the name of what is expressed by those dozens.
    #1VerfasserWerner (236488) 22 Mai 11, 20:33
    You use " a baker's dozen" as you use "a dozen";

    Nein, eben nicht. 'a dozen' hat kein 'of' - a dozen roses.

    Ich fände es nicht falsch, auf das notwendige 'of' bei 'baker's dozen' hinzweisen, wenn man das Objekt erwähnt.

    baker's dozen noun
    [singular] old-fashioned : thirteen of something
    a baker's dozen of books [=thirteen books]

    A collaboration between the community and international artists, it marks the 10th production in the company's baker's dozen of shows in the inaugural season.

    Holiday gifts: A baker's dozen of great cookbooks
    We've sorted through the all-you-can-read buffet of new releases. These are the tastiest choices.
    #2VerfasserGibson (418762) 22 Mai 11, 21:08
    Kontext/ Beispiele
    When I go to a shop to buy a dozen buns, and while the salesperson puts the buns in a bag for me, why can't I say: Oh, you know what, make it a baker's dozen.

    That wouldn't be wrong, would it?
    #3VerfasserSir Pooh de Bear (687643) 22 Mai 11, 22:17
    Kontext/ Beispiele
    Give me a baker's dozen of minutes with it and it shall pleasure me to crack that pate of yours for your sauciness.

    Robin Hood by McSpadden, J. Walker
    Bak·er's dozen is a GROUP of 13.
    #4Verfasserwmw (386353) 22 Mai 11, 22:22
    Sir Pooh: You can say that. (although I wouldn't bet on it that the baker instantly gets it ;)

    I'm not sure I understand your question, but what I wanted to say in #2 is that if your sentence doesn't end with the word 'dozen' but goes on to define what it is you're talking about, you need an 'of'.

    #5VerfasserGibson (418762) 22 Mai 11, 22:28
    Kontext/ Beispiele
    Yes Gibson, but that is the same with the regular dozen, is it not?
    Can't I say a dozen of Roses, does it have to be a dozen Roses?

    Edith: I think I slowly get it ;-)
    #6VerfasserSir Pooh de Bear (687643) 23 Mai 11, 00:22
    "dozen" is the cardinal number (!) that is the sum of eleven and one
    #7Verfasserwmw (386353) 23 Mai 11, 09:25
    Not supported. Although "of" is frequently used, it is not always required.

    At Least One of a Baker’s Dozen Ways to Measure Quality of Hire

    Nashville Film Festival 2011: A Baker's Dozen Movies You Must See

    Here are a Baker’s Dozen principles to guide value network strategies.
    #8VerfasserAgalinis (714472) 23 Mai 11, 10:55
    @ agalinis

    At least, it's an ..."a" baker's dozen ?
    #9Verfasserwmw (386353) 23 Mai 11, 11:24
    Probably so, unless modified by another word. See #2 Gibson's "A collaboration between the community and international artists, it marks the 10th production in the company's baker's dozen of shows in the inaugural season."
    #10VerfasserAgalinis (714472) 23 Mai 11, 14:07
    Kontext/ Beispiele

    a baker's dozen meaning

    Thirteen; one more than a usual dozen (12).

    Example: When Jacob went to the bakery to buy doughnuts for the office, he made sure to get a baker's dozen so he could sneak one to eat on the way to work.

    A baker's dozen is 13 (or, more rarely, 14).

    What's the origin of the phrase 'Baker's dozen'?

    It's widely believed that this phrase originated from the practice of medieval English bakers giving an extra loaf when selling a dozen in order to avoid being penalized for selling short weight.

    This is an attractive story and, unlike many of the "in the days of Olde England they used to say..." stories, it appears to be true. Here's some detail about the origin of 'baker's dozen'.

    Firstly, the practice of adding an extra loaf originated several centuries before the phrase. England has a long history of regulation of trade; bakers were regulated by a trade guild called The Worshipful Company of Bakers, which dates back to at least the reign of Henry II (1154-89).

    The law that caused bakers to be so wary was the Assize of Bread and Ale. In 1266, Henry III revived an ancient statute that regulated the price of bread according to the price of wheat. Bakers or brewers who gave short measure could be fined, pilloried or flogged, as in 1477 when the Chronicle of London reported that a baker called John Mund[e]w was 'schryved [forced to admit his guilt] upon the pyllory' for selling bread that was underweight.

    Secondly, it's not quite so neat an explanation that whenever bakers sold twelve loaves they then added another identical loaf to make thirteen. They would have had just as much concern when selling eleven loaves, but there's no baker's eleven. Remember that the Assize regulated weight not number.

    What the bakers were doing whenever they sold bread in any quantity was adding something extra to make sure the total weight wasn't short. The addition was called the 'in-bread' or 'vantage loaf'. When selling in quantity to middlemen or wholesalers they would add an extra loaf or two. When selling single loaves to individuals they would offer a small extra piece of bread. The Worshipful Company still exists and reports that this carried on within living memory and that a small 'in-bread' was often given with each loaf.

    So, that's the practice, what about the phrase? That goes back to at least 1599, as in this odd quotation from John Cooke's Tu Quoque:

    "Mine's a baker's dozen: Master Bubble, tell your money."

    The phrase is related to the practice described in John Goodwin's A Being Filled with the Spirit, referring back to a quotation from 1665:

    "As that which we call the in-bread is given into the dozen, there is nothing properly paid or given for it, but only for the dozen."

    By 1864 Hotten's Slang Dictionary gives this explicit definition for 'baker's dozen':

    "This consists of thirteen or fourteen; the surplus number, called the inbread, being thrown in for fear of incurring the penalty for short weight."

    Request a dozen eggs from a farmer, a dozen steaks from a butcher, or a dozen pencils from a traveling office supplies salesman, and you will almost certainly receive 12 of your chosen item (counting errors do happen). But a baker’s dozen is commonly understood to mean 13. Are bakers just bad at counting? Not quite.

    There are a few theories as to why a baker’s dozen became 13, but the most widely accepted one has to do with avoiding a beating. In medieval England there were laws that related the price of bread to the price of the wheat used to make it. Bakers who were found to be “cheating” their customers by overpricing undersized loaves were subject to strict punishment, including fines or flogging. Even with careful planning it is difficult to ensure that all of your baked goods come out the same size; there may be fluctuations in rising and baking and air content, and many of these bakers didn’t even have scales to weigh their dough. For fear of accidentally coming up short, they would throw in a bit extra to ensure that they wouldn’t end up with a surprise flogging later. In fact, sometimes a baker’s dozen was 14—just to be extra sure.

    Source: https://www.theidioms.com/bakers-dozen/


    Baker's dozen is the one of my favorite idioms of all time.

    #11VerfasserIdiomatic (1292861)  31 Jan. 20, 13:31
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