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off by heart - auswendig

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by heart steht schon drin, und das OFF gehört da doch nicht hin, oder?
AuthorCJ de28 Oct 04, 09:59
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Hmm, in der Schule und auch während meiner Ausbildung zur Freko habe ich das exakt so x-mal zu hören bekommen: Please, learn it off by heart - Bitte lernen Sie das auswendig.
#1AuthorGoldie28 Oct 04, 10:23
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Ich glaube, das OFF darf nur im Zusammenhang mit learn verwendet werden, ist aber auch da nicht wirklich nötig (oder betont vielleicht?).
To know off by heart wäre aber unsinn.

MW:by heart : by rote or from memory
#2AuthorCJ de28 Oct 04, 10:37
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I know it by heart - ich kann es auswendig. Off wäre hier z.B. überflüssig (sogar falsch) Stimme CJ zu
#3AuthorJ28 Oct 04, 10:49
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Der "Off"-Zusatz muss British English sein, ich hab's jedenfalls noch nie gehört!
Beim Googeln werden auch fast ausschließlich UK-Quellen angegeben.
Könnte man ja mit (BE) markieren.
#4Authoranneli28 Oct 04, 10:51
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(off) by heart

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it _doesn't_ need learn - i know it off by heart, for example.

there are 13000 googles for 'off by heart', and, @anneli, from the first ten of them only 2 are .uk sites.....

from the next ten only 1...
googling for 'off by heart' at .uk, .ie, .au, .nz together only gets three hits, so an AE/BE thing it doesn't appear to be.

i'd suggest putting the off in brackets, since both terms mean the same, and whether off is included or not in writing or speech appears to be a personal choice.
#5Authorodondon irl28 Oct 04, 11:17
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from memory

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Also generell habe ich deutlich weniger hits mit off:
learn it by heart: learn it off by heart 2.600:583
know it by heart:know it off by heart 7.210:465
by heart:off by heart 605.000: 12.900

auch bartleby führt nur "by heart". Hm.
Ist das off vielleicht typisch für gesprochene Sprache? Wo kommt es überhaupt her?

Pons Collins hat für 'auswendig' alleinstehen nur 'by heart (und from memory)', bietet das (off) aber für 'knowing/learning sth (off) by heart' an.

Ich hätte mit 'nem Eintrag
to learn (off) by heart - auswendig lernen
ein wesentlich weniger komisches Gefühl als bei
off by heart - auswendig.
#6AuthorCJ de28 Oct 04, 11:39
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Gut, dann kann ich's diesmal nicht auf BE schieben, schade! Aber es ist relativ selten. Neue Idee: Vielleicht veraltet? Ein paar Google-Treffer ergaben Zitate aus Anne of Green Gables. Hmm. Vielleicht kann noch jemand was Qualifizierteres beitragen. ;-)
#7Authoranneli28 Oct 04, 13:10
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Hier wird "off" als Option angegeben.
#8AuthorFrankNehro (1041888) 13 Nov 14, 10:14
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Off by heart sounds like a mistake to me, AE.

N.B. Disregard any search hits like, He can rattle it off by heart, where the off belongs to the verb.
#9AuthorMike - US (919790) 14 Nov 14, 02:11
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off by heart

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I always include the 'off' (BE).

This is completely standard usage in the UK; see Guardian, Telegraph and BBC articles above.

The question is: is it standard anywhere else?

Edit: I've just looked at the current dictionary entry and "off by heart - auswendig" has been deleted, presumably in response to this thread. I'm going to have to start a new entry to have it reinstated!
#10Authorpapousek (343122) 14 Nov 14, 11:01
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to know sth. off by heart (Brit.) -- etw.Akk. auswendig können | konnte, gekonnt |

That entry has survived with a [Brit] flag despite Alpena's best efforts to have it deleted.

> Disregard any search hits like, He can rattle it off by heart, where the off belongs to the verb.
In "rattle sth. off by heart , the "off" may belong to the verb but what about "learn sth. off by heart"?
Many the poem I had to learn off by heart at school -- I still know most of them off by heart now, can recite them off by heart, and even rattle them off.

@papousek - start the new entry and I, for one, will support it :-)
#11AuthorMarianne (BE) (237471) 14 Nov 14, 21:42
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You'll have my wholehearted support too!
#12Authorcovellite (520987) 17 Nov 14, 16:43
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related discussion: off by heart - auswendig

Please transfer your wholehearted support to my new entry thread, Marianne and Covellite!
#13Authorpapousek (343122) 18 Nov 14, 11:20
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