Supported. :-)

Not sure why this entry is still there. Are the references not sufficient?

tim·ba·les (tim bä′lez; Sp tēm bä′les)

plural noun

a pair of single-headed, cylindrical drums joined by a frame and played with drumsticks, used, esp. originally, in Latin American dance music

www.yourdictionary.com/timbales

Bilder

http://www.google.de/images?hl=de&newwindow=1...

http://www.google.de/images?q=timbales&hl=de...


http://www.ochemusic.de/arttimde.htm

timbales = die Timpales

@w: I've never seen them spelled with a p. Your references actually confirm the spelling with b.

Be that as it may, my main concern is that the wrong entries

timbal also: tymbal [mus.] -- die Kesselpauke
timbal also: tymbal [mus.] -- die Pauke

should be removed. (Strange: The entries have deteriorated in the meantime: Where does 'tymbal' come from? That is not even a musical instrument but "the vibrating membrane in the shrilling organ of a cicada", according to M-W.)

OED:
timbal | tymbal, n.
Second edition, 1989; online version November 2010. ; accessed 12 January 2011.

1. A kettledrum. Now Hist. or arch.1680 London Gaz. No. 1484/1, The Trumpets and Timbals led the way.
c1709 M. Prior Charity 15 A tymbal's sound were better than my voice.
1713 London Gaz. No. 5106/2, Two hundred of their People [Turks] riding‥with Timbals and Chalumeaux.
1788 Gibbon Decline & Fall (1846) l. V. 15 A chorus of women, striking their tymbals, and displaying the pomp of their nuptials.
1813 Arabian Nts. III. 345 [They] danced and skipped about him to the sound of the tymbals.

American Heritage Dictionary:
tim·bal also tym·bal (tmbl)
n.
A kettledrum.

[French timbale, from Old French, alteration (influenced by cymbale, cymbals) of tamballe, alteration (influenced by tambour, drum) of Old Spanish atabal, small drum, from Arabic a-abl, the drum : al-, the + abl, drum; see tabla.]

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

timbal or tymbal noun a type of kettledrum.
http://www.chambersharrap.co.uk/chambers/feat...

Hi, oreg. Just saw this thread in the Erinnerungsfaden and took a look at it. I don't know what you were objecting to originally since 'the entries have deteriorated in the meantime', but to answer your #4 'tymbal' is a synonym for 'timbal'. Coincidentally, I recently sang a Christmas carol ("King Jesus hath a garden") involving 'tymbal' in the refrain, along with another archaic term for an instrument, 'trump', so I can say with some conviction that a 'tymbal' is not just some part of a cicada's sound-making equipment. Hmmm, just had a thought: could entomologists have been thinking of a similarity to a drum when they named that vibrating membrane a tymbal?

There seems to be disagreement among the various dictionaries as to whether a timbal/tymbal is a kettledrum (OED, AHD), a type of kettledrum (Chambers) or a cylindrical drum (M-W). At any rate, the existing entries
timbal also: tymbal [mus.] -- die Kesselpauke
timbal also: tymbal [mus.] -- die Pauke

don't appear wrong as such but would probably benefit from an archaic tag on the English side for D>E translation.

I fully support the addition of
timpani [Mus.] Pl. - die Pauken

and
timbales [Mus.] - die Timbales
certainly looks OK from the images and the Wiki articles and to judge by wupper's support.

Anne, thanks very much for enlightening me. If these words are so old that many mainstream dictionaries don't even list them (M-W, OALD, CALD, Longman, Macmillan) then I hope I'm forgiven for not having come across them before.

In light of these facts of course I'm all for keeping them in LEO--as long as they are marked obsolete or archaic. (Encarta supports this tag along with the OED.)

(M-W is almost certainly referring to the Latin instrument as kettledrums are not cylindrical.)