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    semi / semi truck - der Sattelschlepper (etc.)

    Neuer Eintrag

    semi / semi truck Kfz Amer. ugs. - der Sattelschlepper (etc.)

    Weiterer Neueintrag

    semi-trailer

    Kfz Amer. -

    der Sattelschlepper


    Beispiele/ Definitionen mit Quellen
    LEO:
    semi (Brit.) [coll.] - die Doppelhaushälfte
    semi - halb-
    semi-trailer [abbr.: STLR] [autom.] - der Auflieger (Sattelanhänger)
    semi-trailer - der Sattelanhänger (Eisenbahn)
    semi-trailer - der Sattelauflieger (Eisenbahn)
    road semi-trailer - der Sattelanhänger (Eisenbahn)
    road semi-trailer [tech.] - der Sattelanhänger
    road semi-trailer - der Sattelauflieger (Eisenbahn)
    road semi-trailer [tech.] - der Sattelauflieger
    eighteen-wheeler (also: 18-wheeler) [Amer.] [coll.] - der Sattelschlepper [i-link broken]
    tractor-trailer [autom.] - der Lastzug, das Sattelkraftfahrzeug, der Sattelschlepper, der Sattelzug
    tractor-trailer rig [autom.] - der Sattelzug

    Siehe auch: chains required for all semis
    Siehe auch: to drive a semi on a nickels's worth of gas
    Siehe auch: semi-trailer coupling - die Aufliegerkupplung
    Siehe auch: Sattelauflieger u. Lastwagen - semi truck and...
    (there may be many others, but the forum search will only go back as far as March 2007 because there is no way to specify exactly 'semi' and no more, so you can't avoid pulling up things like Seminararbeit and semi-liquid and so on -- another item on my long-term wish list)

    Wikipedia:
    A semi-trailer truck or tractor-trailer (colloquially known as a transfer truck, 18-wheeler, semi, Diesel, Mack truck [although this is actually just one brand of truck maker], or big rig in the U.S., and transport in Canada; as a semi in Australia or New Zealand; and as an articulated lorry (artic) in the UK and Ireland) is an articulated truck or lorry consisting of a towing engine (tractor in the U.S., prime mover in Australia, and truck in the UK, Canada and New Zealand), and a semi-trailer (plus possible additional trailers) that carries the freight. In the UK, the term juggernaut is sometimes used for articulated lorries.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-trailer_truck


    web examples:
    • Even worse is heading between Saskatoon and Yorkton at 120, and being passed by a semi going 130. Absolutely terrifying.
    • I was driving in a near white out in Utah, when I was passed by a semi going at least 70 MPH. I know he was a local driver
    • It feels rock-solid on the highway, even when you're being passed by a semi.
    • I'd sure hate to be paying for the fuel in both those tanks on one of those big semis.
    • The 2002 models have daytime running lamps which offer good safety on the roads, especially on the interstates next to those big semis.
    • The solar car had just descended a hill and was traveling at 45-50 mph when a huge semi came speeding by and passed the car.
    • A huge semi-trailer truck like this one is crossing Wisconsin and Minnesota over the next two days
    • A young man has quite the story to tell after his wheelchair got lodged in the grille of a semi truck, which pushed the chair and the man
    • I was in a horrible motorcycle accident where I was run over by a semi truck (yes, you read it right…run over)
    • The State Patrol says two vehicles, including a semi truck, slammed into a Buick LeSabre heading in the wrong direction on westbound 494
    • A Darien man ran a red light on Route 47 before his semi-trailer slammed into a sedan and killed two people last month
    • The semi-trailer slammed into the three-carriage Melbourne-bound passenger train at the crossing about six kilometres north of Kerang
    • The accident happened just before 5pm when a 15-tonne HGV Business Post lorry with a semi-trailer skidded on some oil and overturned
    • It looked like a semi-trailer skidded and crashed into the median
    Kommentar

    Since 'semi' is synonymous with 'eighteen-wheeler,' which is already in LEO, I trust it's not necessary to repeat all the basic definitions. Or if it is, maybe someone else could help, since I'm not where all my dictionaries are.

    I don't understand the exact difference, if any, between a -schlepper, -anhänger, and -auflieger -- are these only the towing part and the towed part, respectively, or can any or all of them also mean the whole truck rig?

    Nor do I know what any of this could possibly have to do with railroads.

    So it might help to review all the existing entries, since to me at least, they don't seem very consistent, and some of them do seem to be duplicated, and others missing.

    But my basic point is that all the following terms are used interchangeably in AE for a big, long truck (one heavy cab pulling one large enclosed trailer):

    tractor-trailer
    tractor-trailer truck
    semi-trailer
    semi-trailer truck
    semi [ugs.]
    semi truck [ugs.] (IMO should not be hyphenated, as it is not a half truck)
    eighteen-wheeler [ugs.]


    So something needs to be added to LEO so that Doppelhaushälfte [Brit.] isn't the only choice.

    I've marked these [Amer.] above, since the LEO dropdown menus allow only one choice, but according to Wikipedia they're also [Aus] & [NZ]; maybe someone with Macquarie (sp?) or something could confirm.





    OT: Whoa. I think this is a big bug in the new layout; when I hit 'neu' above to add a related suggestion, all the text entry fields disappear from the screen, leaving only blank space. I had to use the back arrow and then the forward arrow to get them back, but then the new fields I wanted were gone. So I'm condensing above to just one additional suggestion.


    Verfasser hm -- us (236141) 10 Apr. 08, 19:39
    Vorschläge

    big rig

    Kfz Amer. ugs. -

    der Sattelschlepper (etc.)



    Kontext/ Beispiele
    web examples:
    • One white knuckle scenario dreaded by some trailer drivers is being passed by a big rig. Sometimes it seems the big rig drivers like to pass real close
    • YouTube: Driving a Big Rig -- What it's like being in the driver's seat of a tractor trailer.
    • Is driving a big rig truck just like driving a stick shift?
    • Behind the Wheel of a Big Rig ... what it feels like going 70 mph down a gently winding interstate highway behind the wheel of an 80000-pound 18-wheeler.
    • “When I’m sitting up here behind the wheel? It’s my world,” she said. ... remember what they all say: “If you bought it, a big rig brought it.”
    • My son in law was hit by a big rig doing 70 miles an hour.
    • The arcade version of the game puts you in the cab of a big rig, complete with oversized steering wheel.
    • Students got behind the cab of a big rig and saw firsthand the blind spots around tractor-trailers where cars "disappear" from a truck driver's
    • Bringing a big rig to a halt takes about half again as long as the poorest-stopping SUV. (Consider that before cutting in front of an 18-wheeler.)
    • 18 Wheeler and big rig accident lawyers and attorneys specializing in litigation lawsuits for victims of truck accidents.
    Kommentar
    Here's another one that I can confirm from the Wikipedia list.


    I've noticed also that LEO has some additional entries for 'semitrailer' without a hyphen. It would be better if all those could be combined as

    semi-trailer (also:) semitrailer


    Also, there may be one or two entries where 'artic(ulated)' something is not marked [Brit.]. As far as I know, that word isn't used for this kind of truck at all in AE.



    I've never heard 'transfer truck,' 'diesel,' or 'transport' used to mean a big truck, as suggested in Wikipedia. If anyone can confirm where (or whether) those terms are really used, they could also be added if they're not in LEO.



    #1Verfasserhm -- us (236141) 10 Apr. 08, 19:54
    Vorschläge

    semi (coll.) or semitrailer

    Amer. -

    der Sattelzug



    Kontext/ Beispiele
    Sat|tel|schlep|per, der: Zugmaschine zum Ziehen von Sattelanhängern.

    Sat|tel|an|hän|ger, der (Fachspr.): Anhänger ohne Vorderachse, der von einem Sattelschlepper gezogen wird.

    Sat|tel|zug, der: aus einem Sattelschlepper und einem Sattelanhänger bestehender Lastzug.
    Duden - Deutsches Universalwörterbuch, 5. Aufl. Mannheim 2003
    *****************************************************************

    Main Entry: semi
    Function: noun
    Inflected Form: plural semis
    Date: 1942
    : semitrailer
    Merriam-Webster Collgiate Dictionary
    Kommentar
    I'm glad you started this, hm. It's been on my list, but it was so complicated I gave up.
    The way I see it is this: (for road vehicle only. I have no idea how this relates to railroads)

    "der Sattelzug" is the only term that refers to the whole thing, front and back, so the pairs that need to be added are:
    semitrailer (AE?)/der Sattelzug
    semi (coll.) (AE?)/der Sattelzug
    The other terms on your list could also be added for "der Sattelzug".(big rig & Co.)

    "der Sattelschlepper" is only the part of the truck that does the shlepping, if you will. This is the front part = truck or tractor (AE). This is already represented in LEO with a couple of terms. Since it only refers to the tractor part, they aren't right for semi, big rig, etc. So I disagree with your suggestions. By the same token, I think the current entry,
    eighteen-wheeler (also: 18-wheeler) [Amer.] [coll.] - der Sattelschlepper
    is also wrong.

    "der Sattelanhänger"=(Sattel)auflieger is the trailer part in back, just like a normal "Anhänger", but much bigger of course = trailer or semitrailer (AE). This, too, is already in LEO.

    (Unless some German speaker comes along and says that colloquially, these terms are used differently. ;-)
    #2Verfasserwupper (354075) 10 Apr. 08, 21:50
    Kommentar
    corr. Since it only refers to the tractor part, it can't be right for...
    #3Verfasserwupper (354075) 10 Apr. 08, 21:53
    Kontext/ Beispiele
    Main Entry: semitrailer
    Function: noun
    Date: 1919
    1 : a freight trailer that when attached is supported at its forward end by the fifth wheel device of the truck tractor
    2 : a trucking rig made up of a tractor and a semitrailer
    Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary

    Kommentar
    Basically this just confirms that 'semitrailer' can be used either for just the rear part, ie. the trailer proper(Sattelanhänger, Auflieger), or for the whole shebang(Sattelzug) ;-) This is also how I would used the word.
    #4Verfasserwupper (354075) 10 Apr. 08, 21:59
    Kommentar
    Take that "d" away from used. I don't know how it got there!
    #5Verfasserwupper (354075) 10 Apr. 08, 22:00
    Vorschläge

    semi truck

    Amer. -

    der Sattelzug



    Kommentar
    One of the most common terms.
    #6Verfasserwupper (354075) 10 Apr. 08, 22:09
    Kommentar
    OT/re: bug, see Siehe auch: Rückmeldungen zum neuen Layout - #73
    and #78.
    I'm glad it's not just me! Perhaps the Leos will look into it now./OT

    "semi-trailer" is fine in BE too. I use it myself as the, as it were, "official" term (term in the art) in patent translations. I'll dig out some evidence tomorrow (too tired now, sorry).
    #7VerfasserAnne(gb) unplugged11 Apr. 08, 00:14
    Kommentar
    I don't pretend to understand the German side of all this, so I'm counting on help from people who actually have a clue. I just wanted to get something down before I forgot it.

    In this thread

    Siehe auch: 18-wheeler - der Sattelschlepper

    judex said that Sattelschlepper was also okay for the whole thing, I think. But of course I would be equally happy with Sattelzug. Or both. Or anything else.

    I looked but still haven't found any (surviving) previous thread where this was really exhaustively discussed. That is, all these seem to be sort of short and dead-end:

    Siehe auch: sattelzug / gliederzug
    Siehe auch: sattelfahrzeug
    Siehe auch: sattelzugmaschinen
    Siehe auch: tractor - Sattelzugmaschine
    Siehe auch: Lastzug

    #8Verfasserhm -- us (236141) 11 Apr. 08, 07:57
    Vorschläge

    -

    Kfz -

    Sattelzugmaschine



    Kontext/ Beispiele
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary

    Main Entry: 3truck
    Function: noun
    Etymology: probably back-formation from truckle small wheel — more at truckle bed
    Date: 1611

    f: an automotive vehicle with a short chassis equipped with a swivel for attaching a trailer and used especially for the highway hauling of freight; also : a truck with attached trailer

    http://www.verkehrslexikon.de/Module/Sattelzug.htm

    "Bei einem Sattelkraftfahrzeug handelt es sich um eine Fahrzeugkombination, die aus einer Sattelzugmaschine und einem Sattelanhänger (auch Sattelauflieger genannt) besteht. Eine Sattelzugmaschine ohne Sattelanhänger gilt als Zugmaschine.

    Bei einer Sattelzugmaschine ohne eigene Transportfläche handelt es sich nicht um einen Lkw."
    Kommentar
    Guten Morgen,

    es könnte wirklich nicht schaden, das ganze Thema aufzuräumen.

    Mich erstaunt, dass der offizielle Begriff "Sattelzugmaschine" für das Zugfahrzeug nicht in LEO enthalten ist. Der sollte auch an der richtigen Stelle einsortiert werden.

    > judex said that Sattelschlepper was also okay for the whole thing

    "Sattelschlepper" ist umgangssprachlich für das Zugfahrzeug - von fachfremden Menschen auch für den ganzen Sattelzug.
    #9VerfasserTTMM (236247) 11 Apr. 08, 11:30
    Kontext/ Beispiele
    DWDS:
    Sattelschlepper, der Zugmaschine ohne Ladefläche, die mit einem meist einachsigen, aufgesattelten Anhänger gekoppelt ist: die Kontainer werden durch S. vom und zum Seehafen gefahren;

    Sattelzugmaschine, die vgl. -schlepper: moderne Sattelzugmaschinen für den Kontainerverkehr auf der Straße

    BERTELSMANN Wörterbuch
    * Sat|tel|schlep|per [m. 5] Kraftfahrzeug mit kurzem Lastwagengestell, an dem ein Anhänger ohne Vorderachse angebracht ist
    Kommentar
    These sources for the German side confirm that Sattelschlepper and Sattelzugmaschine are only the tractor without the trailer.
    #10Verfasseroreg (353563) 16 Apr. 08, 06:00
     
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