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gums {pl} - das Zahnfleisch

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gum {or pl.} gums

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das Zahnfleisch {nur Sg.}


Examples/ definitions with source references
gum (mouth): either of the two areas of firm pink flesh inside the mouth which cover the bones into which the teeth are fixed: sore gums
Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?ke...

gum {C, usually pl.}: either of the firm areas of flesh in the mouth to which the teeth are attached: gum disease
Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary über http://www.oup.com/elt/catalogue/teachersites...

gum: The firm connective tissue covered by mucous membrane that envelops the alveolar arches of the jaw and surrounds the bases of the teeth. Also called gingiva.
To chew (food) with toothless gums.
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language http://www.bartleby.com/61/16/G0311600.html

gum: the tissue that surrounds the necks of teeth and covers the alveolar parts of the jaws; broadly : the alveolar portion of a jaw with its enveloping soft tissues
Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gum
Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary http://medical.merriam-webster.com/medical/gumhttp://medical.merriam-webster.com/mw/art/med...

gum: gingiva
gingiva {pl. gingivae}: the part of the oral mucosa covering the tooth-bearing border of the jaw. Called also gum.
Dorland's Medical Dictionary 2007 http://www.mercksource.com/pp/us/cns/cns_hl_d...http://www.mercksource.com/pp/us/cns/cns_hl_d...

gingiva: The dense fibrous tissue and overlying mucous membrane enveloping the alveolar processes of the upper and lower jaws and surrounding the necks of the teeth. Synonyms: gum 
Stedman's Medical Dictionary 2006 http://www.medilexicon.com/medicaldictionary....

Zahnfleisch n. 1 nur Sg.
Wahrig Rechtschreibung
Zahn|fleisch {n. -(e)s; nur Sg.}Schleimhaut, die die Zahnhälse und die Kieferknochen bedeckt; auf dem Z. gehen {ugs.} völlig erschöpft sein
Bertelsmann Wörterbuch
über http://www.wissen.de/wde/generator/wissen/res...
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LEO-Eintrag Dictionary: gums
gums  pl. - das Zahnfleisch
korrigieren:
gum  or pl.  gums - das Zahnfleisch  nur Sg.

Vgl. related discussion: gum - Zahnfleisch
Authorgygis (236257) 09 Aug 08, 12:57
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It's usually plural, so I would leave it that way. If you want, you can suggest the singular as a new entry. But it's by no means a "falscher Eintrag".
Your suggestion is misleading - it implies that the singular is more common, which is not the case. Cf. your own quote:
gum {C, usually pl.}: from the Oxford Learners'.

We speak of gums when talking about the "Zahnfleisch" itself. We use gum in compounds such as gum disease.
#1AuthorMary nz/a (431018) 09 Aug 08, 13:24
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I fully agree with Mary!
#2AuthorCarly-AE (237428) 09 Aug 08, 15:15
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gum (usually gums pl.)

[med.] -

das Zahnfleisch



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Am in full agreement with the other native English speakers (Mary, Carly, RES) that this term is often found in the plural when used to mean the gingiva. It does, however, exist in the singular and this is used in the strictest dental sense.

Dorland’s Illustrated Medical Dictionary Copyright 2007. WB Saunders, an Elsevier imprint:
gum - gingiva.

gingiva pl. gin´givae the part of the oral mucosa covering the tooth-bearing border of the jaw. Called also gum.
http://www.mercksource.com/pp/us/cns/cns_hl_d...

Chambers 21st Dictionary
Copyright Chambers Harrap Publishers Ltd 2007
gum
1 noun the firm fibrous flesh surrounding the roots of the teeth.
ETYMOLOGY: Anglo-Saxon goma palate.

Would gum (usually gums pl.) - be an acceptable compromise?
#3AuthorMarianne (BE) (237471) 09 Aug 08, 20:59
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Liebe Marianne, wobei zusätzlich "nur Sg." auf der deutschen Seite sehr nützlich sein könnte:
gum (usually  gums  pl.) [med.] - das Zahnfleisch  nur Sg.
#4Authorgygis (236257) 09 Aug 08, 21:48
Context/ examples
[Zur Verdeutlichung habe ich bestimmte Wörter abweichend vom Original fett gedruckt:]

"The Mouth ... The Vestibule ... bounded ... internally by the gums and teeth. ...
The inner surface of each lip is connected in the middle line to the corresponding gum by a fold of mucous membrane ...
Each tooth consists of three portions: the crown, projecting above the gum; the root, imbedded in the alveolus; and the neck, the constricted portion between the crown and root. ...
This latter layer, however, soon disappears on the emergence of the tooth beyond the gum."
Gray's Anatomy http://education.yahoo.com/reference/gray/sub...

[Image:] "tooth: ... B cross section of a molar: 1 enamel, 2 dentin, 3 dental pulp, 4 cementum, 5 gum ..."
Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary http://medical.merriam-webster.com/mw/art/med...

"gum ... in anatomy, connective tissue covered with mucous membrane, attached to and surrounding the necks of the teeth and adjacent alveolar bone. Before the erupting teeth enter the mouth cavity, gum pads develop; these are slight elevations of the overlying oral mucous membrane. When tooth eruption is complete, the gum embraces the neck region of each tooth. As well as being attached to adjacent alveolar bone, gum is connected to the cement of each tooth and to the tooth enamel.
Healthy gums are pink, stippled, and tough and have a limited sensibility to pain, temperature, and pressure. The gums are separated from the alveolar mucosa, which is red, by a scalloped line that approximately follows the contours of the teeth. The edges of the gums around the teeth are free and extend as small wedges into the spaces between the teeth (interdental papillae). ..."
Encyclopædia Britannica http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/249...

"A healthy tooth in a healthy gum and healthy mouth is fairly secure. The roots are firmly embedded in bone and the gum firmly encases the tooth, leaving only the resistant enamel exposed to any debris and bacteria that saliva has not flushed away. ... However, once inflammation causes the gums to recede from the teeth ..."
Phillips, Bartold (South Australia): Dental problems in diabetes - Add a dentist to the diabetes team; Australian Family Physician Vol 37, (7) 537-539 http://www.racgp.org.au/Content/NavigationMen...

"In gingivitis, the inflamed gums bleed easily with brushing or flossing; ... Pericoronitis results when food particles become trapped under the gum of an impacted tooth. ..."
Nguyen, Martin (California): Common dental infections in the primary care setting; American Family Physician. 2008 Mar 15;77(6):797-802.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18386594?o...
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Zusätzlich zu den bereits angeführten Wörterbüchern einige (hoffentlich anschauliche) Beispiele für die medizinische/anatomische Verwendung von gum im Unterschied zu gums.

gum (usually  gums  pl.) [med.] - das Zahnfleisch  nur Sg.
#5Authorgygis (236257) 10 Aug 08, 00:26
Context/ examples
gum (usually gums pl.) [med.] - das Zahnfleisch nur Sg.
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Good morning gygis
re # 4 - yes, of course. I was concentrating on the English side ...
#6AuthorMarianne (BE) unplugged10 Aug 08, 10:09
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Marianne #3 and gygis #5

That sounds like a perfect compromise to me :)
#7AuthorRES-can10 Aug 08, 13:51
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I still wish to emphasise that "gums" is not a "false entry".
Therefore I am against replacing the entry gums with gum (usually pl.) or any similar act of confusion.

This would lead to the word gums not being found.

I acknowledge that the dictionaries (mine included) only list gum and then add (usually pl.), but an online dictionary works differently from a normal paper dictionary.

If someone (an English speaker) looks up "Zahnfleisch" and finds only "gum" they may think of tree gum.
If a German speaker looks up "gums" they won't find it and may think it is incorrect.

Therefore I think there should be two entries: the original with gums (pl.) and the suggested addition gum [med.] (usually pl.) - or the original gums with two additions: gum [med.] (for the strictest dental sense) and gum (usually pl.)
#8AuthorMary nz/a (431018) 10 Aug 08, 17:20
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>This would lead to the word gums not being found.

No, it wouldn't - both "gum" and "gums" would bring up the entry.

[Try it with "trabecula"/"trabeculae", for example.]
#9AuthorMarianne (BE) unplugged10 Aug 08, 17:45
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But if you write "usually pl." there is still no entry for gums - with an s.
If you want a double entry, it would have to be gum, (usually gums).
As I said, I'm against removing the entry with "gums".
#10AuthorMary nz/a (431018) 10 Aug 08, 17:52
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Mary, if you re-read #3,4,5,6 - the suggestion is a double entry, which keeps the word gums with an s:

gum (usuallygums pl.) [med.] - das Zahnfleischnur Sg

But it is up to Doris & co whether to have one or two entries :-)
#11AuthorMarianne (BE) unplugged10 Aug 08, 18:12
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gums (pl.) (sg. in word compositions only)

-

das Zahnfleisch



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As said in the other thread, I too would plead for the addendum in parentheses that "gum" in singular is used in __word compositions only__. Since this is a fact :-)

(gum bleeding and others come to mind)
#12Authorpp12 Aug 08, 01:14
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> I too would plead for the addendum in parentheses that "gum" in singular is used in __word compositions only__. Since this is a fact :-)

@pp - I think you need you check your facts :-)
you have only to read through #5 to see several clear examples of the word "gum" in the singular not used in word compositions.

An example from the BBC with use in the singular, plural and in compositions:

"Having a lip piercing is bad for the gums and can make them shrink back from the teeth, dentists warn."
[...]
"Gum recession is associated with gum disease, which can cause the loss of teeth that are otherwise healthy."
[...]
Professor Jimmy Steele, from Newcastle University's Dental School in the UK, said people who had, or were considering getting, a lip piercing should take heed of the findings.
"The metal of the lip stud is physically rubbing over the gum at the neck of the tooth causing the gum to recede.
"Once this has happened, you don't get the gum back and it often becomes more difficult to clean and therefore even more prone to gum disease in the future."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4335939.stm

In the meantime, I find Doris's solution excellent
Dictionary: gums
#13AuthorMarianne (BE) unplugged12 Aug 08, 10:00
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Not that I want to add to the confusion... but Zahnfleisch is a non-count noun, and thus is sometimes not a suitable translation for gum (singular) (e.g. in the example with 'lip and corresponding gum' from earlier.
#14Authorjunglehungry (468485) 13 Aug 08, 16:31
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Doch, doch "Zahnfleisch" ist auch für "gum" und nicht nur für "gums" richtig - man muss nur mit den Worten drumherum eventuell etwas aufpassen :-)

The inner surface of each lip is connected in the middle line to the corresponding gum by a fold of mucous membrane.
Die innere Oberfläche jeder Lippe (also: der Ober- und der Unterlippe) ist in der Mittellinie mit dem zugehörigen Zahnfleisch (oder: jeweils mit dem Zahnfleisch) durch eine Schleimhautfalte verbunden.

Each tooth consists of three portions: the crown, projecting above the gum; the root, ...
Jeder Zahn besteht aus drei Teilen: der Krone, die aus dem Zahnfleisch herausragt; der Wurzel, ...

etc.
#15Authorgygis (236257) 13 Aug 08, 16:55
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OK, I stand corrected...
#16Authorjunglehungry (468485) 13 Aug 08, 17:00
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