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daylight saving time - Sommerzeit

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daylight saving time [Abk.: DST]

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Sommerzeit


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When I search for "DST", I only find "Deutscher Städtetag [Abk.: DST]"
Authorhermano27 Jul 10, 08:55
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Try the English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DST
#1AuthorCarullus (670120) 27 Jul 10, 09:15
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Maybe you should improve your search...

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DST
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sommerzeit

DST is commonly used
#2Author...27 Jul 10, 09:15
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Daylight saving time (DST; also summer time in British English...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Day...

Daylight saving time is also called summer time or daylight savings time. When DST is not observed, it is called standard time, normal time or winter time.
http://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst2010.html
http://www.timeanddate.com/time/aboutdst.html

Daylight saving time (also called DST, or Summer Time)
http://www.worldtimezone.org/

http://www.worldtimezone.com/daylight.html

http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&safe=off&cl...
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Nonsens! Ich weiß nicht, wie Du suchst, aber wenn ich suche, finde ich im Acronymfinder 56 mögliche Bedeutungen für DST - darunter natürlich auch die Daylight Saving Time. Ein schlichter Blick in Google (hunderttausende Treffer) oder die Wikipedia verrät ebenfalls, dass die Abk. gebräuchlich ist.
#3Authorlunatic27 Jul 10, 09:17
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@hermano: Außerdem, warum schlägst Du das als Korrektur vor, was schon vorhanden ist und von Dir (fälschlicherweise) für falsch gehalten wird??

Bitte vor einem Wörterbuchvorschlag Gebrauchsanweisung lesen und Belege suchen!
#4Authorlunatic27 Jul 10, 09:22
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#2: "DST is commonly used"
Das kommt darauf an... Die Abkürzung DST wird m.E. in den Printmedien nicht besonders häufig verwendet. Selbst in den abkürzungsliebenden USA habe ich innerhalb von fünf Jahren immer nur "daylight saving time" gelesen (Washington Post). Das sieht natürlich im Internet schon anders aus.
#5AuthorOxymorphon (700306) 27 Jul 10, 09:25
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Ähem, wir haben alle hermano missverstanden (sorry!), was durch ein paar mehr Worte u. v.a Belegzitsate hätte vermieden werden können. Die Abkürzung DST ist bisher nicht in LEO und hermano schlägt ihre Ergänzung vor...!

Insofern unterstützt für beide Einträge Dictionary: sommerzeit
#6Authorlunatic27 Jul 10, 09:35
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@lunatic: Genau, danke fürs klarstellen! ^^

Im LEO ist bei der Suche von "DTS" eben nur "Deutscher Städtetag" zu finden! Hätte nicht erwartet so sehr mißverstanden worden zu sein, da ich unter Quellen klar den Day Saving Time-Link von Wikipedia aufliste.. Was für'n "rage" hier, kenne das sonst nur von WoW- und 4chan-Foren! ;P

Also nochmals: Bitte unter dem Eintrag "day saving time" um die Abkürzung DST erweitern!
#7Authorhermano27 Jul 10, 13:02
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Hätte nicht erwartet so sehr mißverstanden worden zu sein, da ich unter Quellen klar den Day Saving Time-Link von Wikipedia aufliste..

hermano, das Missverständnis ist schon Deiner 'Knappheit' geschuldet: Du hast in #0 weder klargemacht, dass Du dich auf eine Suche in LEO beziehst (Am allerklarsten wäre die schlichte Feststellung gewesen, dass die Abk. bisher in LEO fehlt, mit WB-Link vielleicht) noch hast Du - wie vom LEO-Team ausdrücklich gefordert - ein Belegzitat geliefert, das deutlich macht, auf welche Aussage Du dich konkret beziehst. Bloße Links, die dann jeder auf eigene Faust nach dem jeweils mutmaßlich Gemeinten durchforsten muss, sind wenig hilfreich. (Übrigens: Wikipedia ist mangels Verläßlichkeit als einziger Beleg nicht ausreichend). Argumente und Belege in dieser Sektion sollten jedenfalls frei von Ratespiel- bzw. Schnitzeljagd-Anklängen sein;-) (für's nächste Mal..:-)
#8Authorlunatic. (406119) 27 Jul 10, 13:38
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Ich finde die Originaleinsendung von hermano eindeutig.
#9AuthorWachtelkönig (396690) 27 Jul 10, 18:37
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I agree the abbreviation would be useful to add, though the entry without it isn't wrong.

Isn't there correctly a hyphen in the English? I think it should be

Daylight-Saving Time (abbr.: DST)

Actually, questions tend to come up in the forum fairly frequently about other abbreviations for US time zones. If they're not already in, it might actually be useful to standardize entries for the whole set:

Eastern Standard Time (abbr.: EST) = MEZ – 6 Stunden
Eastern Daylight Time (abbr.: EDT)
Central Standard Time (abbr.: CST) = MEZ – 7 Stunden
Central Daylight Time (abbr.: CDT)
Mountain Standard Time (abbr.: MST) = MEZ – 8 Stunden
Mountain Daylight Time (abbr.: MDT)
Pacific Standard Time (abbr.: PST) = MEZ – 9 Stunden
Pacific Daylight Time (abbr.: PDT)

Plus the Canadian islands and Hawaii, whose time zones I don't know the formal names for.

Another abbreviation that's very common is

Greenwich Mean Time (abbr.: GMT)

though especially in scientific contexts that has now largely changed to, IIRC, something or other Universal Time, which for some reason is abbreviated UTC, where I can never think what the C might stand for ...

#10Authorhm -- us (236141) 27 Jul 10, 18:56
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UTC replaced GMT as the basis for the main reference time scale in 1972. Unless you actually are in Greenwich (or within the same timezone at least) there's no reason to use it anymore.

(Coordinated, of course.)
#11AuthorCarullus (670120) 27 Jul 10, 19:07
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@hm--us: LEO hat zwei Einträge: einmal mit, einmal ohne Bindestrich (letzteres als "Amer." gekennzeichnet):
Dictionary: daylight saving time
#12Authorlunatic. (406119) 27 Jul 10, 19:29
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@ 10 - From http://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/time_zone...:

The United States uses nine standard time zones. From east to west they are Atlantic Standard Time (AST), Eastern Standard Time (EST), Central Standard Time (CST), Mountain Standard Time (MST), Pacific Standard Time (PST), Alaskan Standard Time (AKST), Hawaii-Aleutian Standard Time (HST), Samoa standard time (UTC-11) and Chamorro Standard Time (UTC+10).

The plus on the Guam side (Chamorro) looks not to be a typo; it's borne out here: http://www.time.gov/. On that site it also looks like we have a separate Micronesia time zone that's UTC+11. There are probably abbreviations for these less populated Pacific island time zones, but no clue as to how widespread they are.

I wouldn't write daylight saving time with a hyphen, and I'm generally pretty conservative about hyphens. I say "daylight savings time," though, with the S.
#13AuthorKatydid (US) (694445) 27 Jul 10, 19:32
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lunatic, thank you. Even if the unhyphenated version can be found in some dictionaries, I don't see why it couldn't be listed on the same line as a variant spelling, except that it would make a long line.

Anyway, I suspect the term itself is probably AE, not just one or the other spelling, but the BE speakers would have to answer that.



Katydid, sorry, but I have to disagree firmly on that one. Savings with an S are what you keep in the bank.

I'm not at home with my reference books, but I would venture to bet that that's even on many lists of common errors. Try for example Paul Brians's (Brian's? can't remember) website.



Carullus, that may well be true among scientists, but many if not most ordinary English speakers still do speak of Greenwich time, regardless of what some convention somewhere may have determined at some time. To me that's like saying 'But it's a scientific norm!', in which case I'm often tempted just to say 'So?' Not everyone is as universally deferential to scientific norms as German speakers. (-;

Universal Time Coordinated? That's not even intelligible English, is it? No wonder it didn't catch on well ... Maybe it's originally French or something else where the adjective comes afterwards? But then why wouldn't it be TUC ...



#14Authorhm -- us (236141) 27 Jul 10, 19:42
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The International Telecommunication Union wanted Coordinated Universal Time to have a single abbreviation for all languages. English and French speakers wanted the initials of both their respective language's terms to be used internationally: "CUT" for "coordinated universal time" and "TUC" for "temps universel coordonné". This resulted in the final compromise of "UTC".

I didn't know that, either, but it does sound like something bureaucrats would come up with :) I think it's better than Koordinierte Universal Zeit, at least...
#15AuthorCarullus (670120) 27 Jul 10, 19:46
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@14 - That's why I said I say it that way, not write it that way. It's a Fügungs-S, and it just slips in there in speech. I'm aware that the preponderance of style guides say "daylight saving," and that some advocate "daylight-saving."
#16AuthorKatydid (US) (694445) 27 Jul 10, 19:57
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Okay, okay, sorry. And thanks for all the research; I confess I hadn't thought about Guam, much less Chamorro. (Wasn't she a Nicaraguan politician ...)

Re UTC: Good heavens. No wonder! An international standard voted on by a committee, so it ends up wrong in both languages; how priceless.

But I must confess that the compromise, however lame, is at least better than CUT or KUZ. (-:
#17Authorhm -- us (236141) 27 Jul 10, 20:28
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Thanks, and sure. I put "Guam" in there in parentheses because it's the biggest of the places where you find the Chamorro people. Apparently the zone was renamed from the old "Guam Time Zone" to include the Northern Marianas, also home to the Chamorro. Wasn't sure how many contributors had heard of the Chamorro before, aside from Violeta, as you point out.

I think it's likely that we should just put in the big ones: Atlantic, Eastern, Central, Mountain, Pacific, Alaska, Hawaii-Aleutian. (Note: the official gov't site says "Alaska time zone," not "Alaskan time zone" as in my first reference.)
#18AuthorKatydid (US) (694445) 27 Jul 10, 21:06
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From above:

(Die Vorschau zeigte noch alles "schoen" an. Und nein, ich werde das jetzt nicht alles formatieren!)

AAlpha Time ZoneMilitaryUTC + 1 hour
ACDTAustralian Central Daylight TimeAustraliaUTC + 10:30 hours
ACSTAustralian Central Standard TimeAustraliaUTC + 9:30 hours
ADTAtlantic Daylight TimeNorth AmericaUTC - 3 hours
AEDTAustralian Eastern Daylight Time or Australian Eastern Summer TimeAustraliaUTC + 11 hours
AESTAustralian Eastern Standard TimeAustraliaUTC + 10 hours
AKDTAlaska Daylight TimeNorth AmericaUTC - 8 hours
AKSTAlaska Standard TimeNorth AmericaUTC - 9 hours
ASTAtlantic Standard TimeNorth AmericaUTC - 4 hours
AWDTAustralian Western Daylight TimeAustraliaUTC + 9 hours
AWSTAustralian Western Standard TimeAustraliaUTC + 8 hours
BBravo Time ZoneMilitaryUTC + 2 hours
BSTBritish Summer TimeEuropeUTC + 1 hour
CCharlie Time ZoneMilitaryUTC + 3 hours
CDTCentral Daylight TimeAustraliaUTC + 10:30 hours
CDTCentral Daylight TimeNorth AmericaUTC - 5 hours
CEDTCentral European Daylight TimeEuropeUTC + 2 hours
CESTCentral European Summer TimeEuropeUTC + 2 hours
CETCentral European TimeEuropeUTC + 1 hour
CSTCentral Summer TimeAustraliaUTC + 10:30 hours
CSTCentral Standard TimeAustraliaUTC + 9:30 hours
CSTCentral Standard TimeNorth AmericaUTC - 6 hours
CXTChristmas Island TimeAustraliaUTC + 7 hours
DDelta Time ZoneMilitaryUTC + 4 hours
EEcho Time ZoneMilitaryUTC + 5 hours
EDTEastern Daylight TimeAustraliaUTC + 11 hours
EDTEastern Daylight TimeNorth AmericaUTC - 4 hours
EEDTEastern European Daylight TimeEuropeUTC + 3 hours
EESTEastern European Summer TimeEuropeUTC + 3 hours
EETEastern European TimeEuropeUTC + 2 hours
ESTEastern Summer TimeAustraliaUTC + 11 hours
ESTEastern Standard TimeAustraliaUTC + 10 hours
ESTEastern Standard TimeNorth AmericaUTC - 5 hours
FFoxtrot Time ZoneMilitaryUTC + 6 hours
GGolf Time ZoneMilitaryUTC + 7 hours
GMTGreenwich Mean TimeEuropeUTC
HHotel Time ZoneMilitaryUTC + 8 hours
HAAHeure Avancée de l'AtlantiqueNorth AmericaUTC - 3 hours
HACHeure Avancée du CentreNorth AmericaUTC - 5 hours
HADTHawaii-Aleutian Daylight TimeNorth AmericaUTC - 9 hours
HAEHeure Avancée de l'EstNorth AmericaUTC - 4 hours
HAPHeure Avancée du PacifiqueNorth AmericaUTC - 7 hours
HARHeure Avancée des RocheusesNorth AmericaUTC - 6 hours
HASTHawaii-Aleutian Standard TimeNorth AmericaUTC - 10 hours
HATHeure Avancée de Terre-NeuveNorth AmericaUTC - 2:30 hours
HAYHeure Avancée du YukonNorth AmericaUTC - 8 hours
HNAHeure Normale de l'AtlantiqueNorth AmericaUTC - 4 hours
HNCHeure Normale du CentreNorth AmericaUTC - 6 hours
HNEHeure Normale de l'EstNorth AmericaUTC - 5 hours
HNPHeure Normale du PacifiqueNorth AmericaUTC - 8 hours
HNRHeure Normale des RocheusesNorth AmericaUTC - 7 hours
HNTHeure Normale de Terre-NeuveNorth AmericaUTC - 3:30 hours
HNYHeure Normale du YukonNorth AmericaUTC - 9 hours
HSTHawaii Standard TimeNorth AmericaUTC - 10 hours
IIndia Time ZoneMilitaryUTC + 9 hours
ISTIrish Summer TimeEuropeUTC + 1 hour
KKilo Time ZoneMilitaryUTC + 10 hours
LLima Time ZoneMilitaryUTC + 11 hours
MMike Time ZoneMilitaryUTC + 12 hours
MDTMountain Daylight TimeNorth AmericaUTC - 6 hours
MESZMitteleuroäische SommerzeitEuropeUTC + 2 hours
MEZMitteleuropäische ZeitEuropeUTC + 1 hour
MSDMoscow Daylight TimeEuropeUTC + 4 hours
MSKMoscow Standard TimeEuropeUTC + 3 hours
MSTMountain Standard TimeNorth AmericaUTC - 7 hours
NNovember Time ZoneMilitaryUTC - 1 hour
NDTNewfoundland Daylight TimeNorth AmericaUTC - 2:30 hours
NFTNorfolk (Island) TimeAustraliaUTC + 11:30 hours
NSTNewfoundland Standard TimeNorth AmericaUTC - 3:30 hours
OOscar Time ZoneMilitaryUTC - 2 hours
PPapa Time ZoneMilitaryUTC - 3 hours
PDTPacific Daylight TimeNorth AmericaUTC - 7 hours
PSTPacific Standard TimeNorth AmericaUTC - 8 hours
QQuebec Time ZoneMilitaryUTC - 4 hours
RRomeo Time ZoneMilitaryUTC - 5 hours
SSierra Time ZoneMilitaryUTC - 6 hours
TTango Time ZoneMilitaryUTC - 7 hours
UUniform Time ZoneMilitaryUTC - 8 hours
UTCCoordinated Universal TimeEuropeUTC
VVictor Time ZoneMilitaryUTC - 9 hours
WWhiskey Time ZoneMilitaryUTC - 10 hours
WDTWestern Daylight TimeAustraliaUTC + 9 hours
WEDTWestern European Daylight TimeEuropeUTC + 1 hour
WESTWestern European Summer TimeEuropeUTC + 1 hour
WETWestern European TimeEuropeUTC
WSTWestern Summer TimeAustraliaUTC + 9 hours
WSTWestern Standard TimeAustraliaUTC + 8 hours
XX-ray Time ZoneMilitaryUTC - 11 hours
YYankee Time ZoneMilitaryUTC - 12 hours
ZZulu Time ZoneMilitaryUTC

(Die Vorschau zeigte noch alles "schoen" an. Und nein, ich werde das jetzt nicht alles formatieren!)
#19AuthorRalf-NZ (295035) 28 Jul 10, 02:28
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