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    ɻ ɫ - what are these IPA symbols?

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    ɻ ɫ - what are these IPA symbols?

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    LEO's Eingabehelfer has IPA symbols in its Lautschrift-Tabelle.

    I recognize most of these symbols, or can find them in an IPA table in Wikipedia or elsewhere. But there are several in LEO's table that I can't yet find.

    In particular, what are these two symbols: ɻ ɫ

    Thanks.
    Author eric (new york) (63613) 03 Jun 13, 10:38
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    #1Author Gart (646339) 03 Jun 13, 10:42
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    *edit* gestrichen
    #2Author wor (335727) 03 Jun 13, 10:49
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    @Gart: I think you're right.

    Thanks. I realized I could probably copy these characters from the LEO screen to a search box in my browser while viewing the Wikipedia IPA article. I should have thought of that.

    I've found some information in the English Wikipedia:

    ɻ represents a retroflex approximant (voiced), which is what you suggested. This is simply the standard American r-sound, I think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroflex_approximant

    ɫ seems to be a velarized L. You've suggested that it's the velarisierten stimmhaften lateralen alveolaren Approximanten. I haven't yet figured it out, but I think I'm on the right track.

    Thanks for your help.

    #3Author eric (new york) (63613) 03 Jun 13, 11:26
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    eric

    A velarized L is probably the one you use, i.e. what is informally known as a 'dark l'.

    In Scottish and most American varieties of English, all l's are dark. In Irish English, no l is dark. In RP and most English-English varieties, an l is clear before a vowel, otherwise dark.

    The difference is not phonemic in any variety of English, hence the dark-l symbol should not be used in any phonemic notation of English. It is phonemic in Gaelic and Russian (and probably other Slavic languages too). In Polish, the dark l is so dark (velarized) that it has mutated to a [w].
    #4Author escoville (237761) 03 Jun 13, 12:25
     
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