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    Even if sentence

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    Hi everyone,

    Are the following sentences correct?

    „Even if XY regulated the handling of this substance, no XY regulates all the details. Therefore, a new regulation is required.“

    I somehow have problems with the tenses. Should I write „no XY would regulate...“? Is it still possible to proceed with present tense in the next sentence?


    Thank you very much!

    Author peach93 (1074356) 25 Mar 18, 15:33
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    I don't know what XY is exactly, but both sentences are grammatically correct, imo.
    #1Author dude (253248) 25 Mar 18, 15:43
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    I see your problem. I think you need a 'would', and I don't think that affects the next sentence.
    #2Author escoville (237761) 25 Mar 18, 18:46
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    For me, both are OK, depending on "XY" and the exact situation.
    a) ...no XY regulates all the details.
    b) ... no XY would regulate all the details

    Or, perhaps, (c) no XY can regulate all the details.
    #3Author Martin--cal (272273) 25 Mar 18, 18:55
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    Thank you!

    So, it looks like both versions are correct. XY are laws/regulations that, maybe, apply to the substance.

    #4Author peach93 (1074356) 26 Mar 18, 00:12
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    FWIW:

    I do not think #0 is clear. From both #0 and #4, it appears (to me) that the two instances of "XY" do not refer to the same thing. This is how I understand the problem and how it should read (IMO):

    Even if Rule 509 addresses (or purports to address) the handling of Substance X, no rule governs all the details (on handling Substance X), and so additional regulation is necessary.
    #5AuthorHappyWarrior (964133) 26 Mar 18, 02:50
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    Thank you for your help.

    It sounds like anything is possible and correct:

    #1 Even if „past simple“, + present

    #2 Even if „past simple“, + would infinitive

    #3 Even if „present“, + present


    How can I decide which version I should choose?
    #6Author peach93 (1074356) 27 Mar 18, 22:24
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    First off, I think Happy Warrior made a good point in #5.

    But, to address your question, Peach93, it depends on the circumstances. Maybe some examples will help.

    (But it bears saying that “simple past” is not the correct term for regulated in “Even if XY regulated the handling…” Here regulate is not the simple past of to regulate, but is a counter-factual.)

    That said, here are three examples of usage. Hopefully you can glean some sense of the usage from them. (But be aware, they don’t exhaust all the possibilities for tense usage in the two clauses.)

    #1  Even if I had money, I still wouldn’t buy it. =>  I don’t have any money. Also, the object is of no value to me. So even if I had money, I wouldn’t spend my money on that object.

    #2  Even if I had money, money still isn’t everything,  => I don’t have any money. Also, it is true that “money isn’t everything”. So whether or not I have money doesn’t change the truth of the following statement.

    #3  Even if I have some spare change, I don’t give money to panhandlers. (Should be clear, I hope.)
     
    #7Author Martin--cal (272273) 27 Mar 18, 23:33
     
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