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    Positives (in English, short for positive aspects?)

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    Positives (in English, short for positive aspects?)

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    Hello!

    In recent discussions I heard "positive" or "positives" instead of (e.g.) "positive aspect" being used in English. (People said "This is a clear positive" or "To sum up the negatives...")

    IMHO this sounds a lot like mis-using the German noun "Positives"...

    As these terms were used in an international group (including native speakers) I am confused...

    Appreciate any clarification!
    AuthorJJ17 Oct 06, 07:38
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    "Positives" or "negatives" aren't necessarily incorrect, but neither are they the proper way to say what is meant. They're the sort of words that comes from business meetings where managers want to make their point sound important, but dumb it down into meaningless (or invented) words and phrases. Words like "excellence", "integrate", "synergy", "teamwork", etc etc have all had their original meanings thrown out the window by well-meaning businessmen with limited vocabularies.

    Anyway, back to your question. Instead of "positives" or "negatives", it would be better to say "pros" and "cons", as these nouns have been around for a bit longer (though they've probably also achieved prominence through overuse at business meetings).

    Also, I don't think the terms have been borrowed from German specifically. I think it's just lazy English.
    #1Authornorumbegan (USA)17 Oct 06, 19:48
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    I disagree about the "dumbing down" (and yes... I have used it :))
    It may have started out as lazy and incorrect, but it is common business usage (at all levels). Yes, it does refer to positive/negative aspects, points, etc.
    pros and cons is OK as well, but not quite the same in nuance IMHO = points for and against
    positives and negatives = positive points/negative points
    #2AuthorRES-can17 Oct 06, 20:01
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    Some adjectives (and other parts of speech) can be nouned.

    A non-native has to be careful because you can't do this with all adjectives, but, in appropriate contexts, it is a fairly normal way of referring to anything that can be listed under the heading "Positive" without the unwanted, and possibly inaccurate, precision of adding a noun like "aspect" (unless "aspect" is intended to have no semantic content).

    . . . IMHO, of course.
    #3AuthorMikeE (236602) 17 Oct 06, 22:16
     
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