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    open and closed tables

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    in a book I read recently (Set this house in order by Matt Ruff, an American) I read a sentence that went something like this: "whilst Julie and I waited for one of the tables to open up, she kept asking me about Penny" - both protagonists being in a cafe and waiting, I presume, for a table to become free (I think that's how I would put it).
    To my British trained ears and eyes this expression, i.e. "a table opening up", was rather odd - is it an Americanism, a recently coined phrase also used in Britain nowadays, entirely singular to Matt Ruff or just sloppy editing? ?
    Author Spinatwachtel (341764) 22 Jul 07, 20:32
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    Sounds fine to me, so I'd say it's at least neither unique to Matt Ruff nor sloppy editing.

    However, there's no opposite with close or closed, it's just full, occupied, not free, etc.

    And I bet the 'whilst' didn't come from an AE book; we would say 'While Julie and I were waiting ...' (-;
    #1Author hm -- us (236141) 22 Jul 07, 21:15
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    hm-us, thank you. Really, 'whilst' is a Briticsism? I did quote from memory, of course, you caught me out there.
    I was intrigued by this because I always stumble over this concept in English, thinking "waiting for a table to become free" is too literal, but what is the correct expression? You know, how you automatically reject the easy option because it strikes you as a literal translation and doesn't come up so often after all for you to have got used to it. But I definitely had never encountered this "for a table to open up", in speech or writing.
    #2Author Spinatwachtel (341764) 22 Jul 07, 21:21
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    I'd say a table "becomes available". "Open up" is also OK.

    I can understand your confusion, though, maybe thinking of those expandable tables that "open up" when you have more guests. But it's just a figure of speech here, not meant literally. A job at a company can open up, for instance, if someone leaves or retires.

    I think whilst might be used occasionally in written AE. But I would never actually use it in conversation. Perish the thought!
    #3Authorwpr (236109) 22 Jul 07, 21:37
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    wpr, funnily enough I didn't think of fold-out tables at all, naheliegend as it may seem (now). I quite liked the expression because it made me think of either opportunities or abysses (is there a plural to this word other than just a grammatical one?), which would have befitted the context. Which is why I wondered whether it was a Matt Ruffism, you know, an author's freedom to make up words. Although Matt Ruff isn't really into that, come to think of it.
    #4Author Spinatwachtel (341764) 22 Jul 07, 22:02
     
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