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    Misheard? "cackhanded" and "a right girl's blouse"

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    Misheard? "cackhanded" and "a right girl's blouse"

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    Currently listening to a poor recording and am not sure if I've heard right:

    "The whole approach was cackhanded" meaning poorly done, incompetent. Is this the correct spelling? Related to the childish word for poo?

    "He was always a right girl's blouse" meaning he was a wimp, a wuss. Common saying? Could it be mouse rather than blouse? (though then girl's makes little sense).
    Author Selkie (236097) 01 Jul 09, 10:32
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    OED spells it with a hyphen - http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/cackhand...

    I've also heard the phrase as a big girl's blouse, but there's no reason why it couldn't be used without big.
    http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-big3.htm

    Both are common phrases in the UK.
    #1AuthorJoanne01 Jul 09, 10:38
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    Both correctly heard and spelt, and both common sayings.
    #2Author CM2DD (236324) 01 Jul 09, 10:38
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    Could it be "backhanded" ?
    #3Author Woody 1 (455616) 01 Jul 09, 10:39
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    I know "cackhanded", m-w.com also has it:

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cac...

    I've never heard of the "girl's blouse", but it seems to be British. The "right" just makes it stronger ...

    http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-big3.htm
    #4Author Jalapeño (236154) 01 Jul 09, 10:39
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    And another confirmation from me: I know both cack-handed and (big/right) girl's blouse.
    In fact, LEO knows cack-handed too: Dictionary: cack*

    If I am correctly informed, this indeed stems from the "childish word for poo" (well, "poo" is in itself a childish word for poo, isn't it? :o)), or rather from the fact that one used the left hand (the "bad" hand, the hand with which right-handers are more clumsy) to wipe it off. Compare to the German linkisch.

    This association is nonsense, of course,says left-hander
    #5Author Dragon (238202) 01 Jul 09, 10:55
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    It never occured to me to check leo or other dicts., I was that convinced I'd misheard. Thanks.

    (Yes, I suppose poo was "doppelt-gemoppelt" Dragon.)
    #6Author Selkie (236097) 01 Jul 09, 11:06
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    Actually the word cack is an old word (i think gaelic) for the word poo so the word poo comes from cack.
    #7AuthorLondoner01 Jul 09, 11:21
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    And now I feel I'm misreading -- what do you mean Londoner? They are two different words for the same thing, right? Not that one developed out of the other?
    #8Author Selkie (236097) 01 Jul 09, 11:27
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    The root meaning of cack-handed is left-handed; it's nowt to do with poo. My Dad sometimes used to mock me for being "cackhanded" when he saw me using things in a left-handed way, as I occasionally do even though I'm right-handed normally.
    #9AuthorSteve (BE)01 Jul 09, 11:45
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    Cack-handed means left-handed, but the word "cack-handed" is connected to poo. Not sure if it is as Dragon described, or just like saying your left hand is shit.

    cack-handed adj, colloq 1 clumsy; awkward. 2 left-handed. cack-handedness noun.
    ETYMOLOGY: 19c: from dialect cack excrement.
    http://www.chambersharrap.co.uk/chambers/feat...
    #10Author CM2DD (236324) 01 Jul 09, 11:53
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    cack noun 
    [origin Old English cac- in cachus (hus house) rel. to cack verb]
    1. Excrement, dung; filth OE
    2. fig. Rubbisch; nonsense M20

    cack verb
    [Origin Middle Low German, Middle Dutch cacken (Dutch kakken) from Latin cacare]
    1. verb intrans. Defecate. LME
    2. verb trans. Void as excrement. L15

    cack-handed adjective
    [Origin from CACK noun + HAND noun + ED.]
    Left-handed; clumsy


    So at least according to the SOED, the term cack-handed does derive from cack, which in turn relates to excrement.
    #11Author Richard (236495) 01 Jul 09, 12:06
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    So what is the level of vulgarity of "cack-handed"?
    #13Author Selkie (236097) 01 Jul 09, 13:20
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    Not vulgar imho. Probably most people who use it don't even realize where it comes from.
    #14Author Dragon (238202) 01 Jul 09, 13:21
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    In some parts of the English-speaking world 'cack-handed' is slang for left-handed (it is also used to mean clumsy). The origin of this term is disputed, but some suggest it is derived from the Latin cacare, in reference to the habit of performing ablutions with the left hand, leaving the right hand 'clean'.[31] However, other source suggest that it is derived from the Old Norse word keikr, meaning "bent backwards" [32] Australians frequently use "cacky-handed". A less common Australian slang word for a left-handed individual is the term Molly-Dooker, whose origins cannot be ascertained for certain.[33]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-handedness#...
    #15Author Dragon (238202) 01 Jul 09, 13:26
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    Agree that it is not considered vulgar.
    The Wikipedia site saying that cack-handed refers to wiping your bum with your left hand quotes Michael Quinion, who is usually quite reliable, and it's a plausible idea, though a little actual proof would be nice (he doesn't provide any). http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-cac1.htm
    #16Author CM2DD (236324) 01 Jul 09, 13:34
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    Caution:
    Although most might not consider cackhanded to be vulgar, and cack certainly is vulgar, its use to label a left-handed person was certainly offensive to me as a left-handed child and was usually meant as such in my experience.
    "Girl's blouse" is intended to be offensive in its use, although I've not been on the receiving end of this one.
    #17Author Ecgberht (469528) 02 Jul 09, 00:33
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    Re #17: Well, I grew up in the English Midlands, am in my thirties and only became aware of any possible connection between the phrase "cack-handed" and left-handedness in the last couple of years. In my family, we only ever used it as a synonym for clumsiness involving the hands. (Dragon seems to have had similar experience to mine - see her post #10 in the thread linked by Marianne in #12: related discussion: kerr-handed - linkshändig (nach dem König Kerrs) - #10 )

    I also agree that "cack-handed" is not considered vulgar - despite it containing the word "cack".
    #18AuthorKinkyAfro (587241) 02 Jul 09, 16:31
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    Coming from the UK Midlands [though it may not be exclusive to here] there is the alternative form "caggy-handed" which may be used to avoid saying the word "cack" but in this instance only.
    #19AuthorJ. Paul Murdock02 Jul 09, 17:30
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    I remember years ago hearing someone say (in BE) "He's a real big girls blouse"- I'd never heard it before but got the general drift pretty quickly. The statement was made about someone, not to their face; it's not vulgar, but definitely disparaging. It expresses quite a lot of disdain.
    #20AuthorMackie03 Jul 09, 11:55
     
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