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    after + Past Tense? Vorzeitigkeit im Englischen

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    Was ist eigentlich der Unterschied zwischen

    1. after he ate dinner he went home
    und
    2. after he had eaten dinner he went home

    Ich lese die erste Version (after+Past Tense) so oft, dass ich den Eindruck habe, das ist ok so, obwohl mir nur Version 2 (after+Past Perfect) richtig vorkommt - weil es halt im Deutschen so ist. Aber was heißt das schon.
    Author Birgila/DE (172576) 29 Apr 20, 10:32
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    Cambridge has a decent explanation here. Aside from the missing commas, both of those sentences are possible.

    #1Author covellite (520987) 29 Apr 20, 11:21
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    Leider trifft die Erklärung in deinem Link nicht auf meine Frage zu.


    Ich wollte wissen, ob es tatsächlich möglich ist, Vorzeitigkeit auch ohne Past Perfect auszudrücken, Komma hin oder her. Man liest es häufiger, aber ob es auch stimmt?

    #2Author Birgila/DE (172576) 29 Apr 20, 11:25
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    covellite, das Wort "after" kommt in Deinem Link gar nicht vor, so dass ich nicht verstehe, wie sich die dort genannten Beispiele auf Birgilas Satz übertragen lassen. Dort kann man ja von nahezu gleichzeitigen Ereignissen sprechen (deshalb auch when und nicht after), in Birgilas Satz aber nicht.


    Edit: Ich hatte Birgilas Antwort nicht gesehen, die meine unnötig macht, aber ich lasse sie mal stehen.

    #3Author harambee (91833)  29 Apr 20, 11:28
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    Aside from the missing commas, both of those sentences are possible and correct, because 'after' makes the order of the events clear. The same is true of 'before'.


    Clearer?

    #4Author covellite (520987)  29 Apr 20, 11:56
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    M-W gives the following as an example sentence for such a use of "after" (which avoids the inverted sentence structure in the OP):


    : following the time when

    I opened the door after she knocked.


    Thus, the assumption in the OP that after + past perfect is the only correct form appears to be disproved. (Yep: English isn't German)



     

    #5Author hbberlin (420040) 29 Apr 20, 12:11
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    You could also say "After eating dinner, he went home".


    In the first example, you're describing a series of events, all "equally" in the past, and not related: there's no connection between one event and the next. First he ate dinner, then he went home, then he wrote an e-mail and then he hung up a picture on the wall.

    After he ate dinner, he went home, and after he wrote the e-mail, he hung up a picture.


    In the second example you're making more of a connection between him eating dinner and going home. You imagine him waiting until he's finished his dinner before going home. He probably went home because he'd finished dinner and had nothing else planned.

     

    "After he'd brushed his teeth, he went to bed" would sound more natural to me than "After he brushed his teeth, he went to bed", for example, as he was brushing his teeth in preparation for going to bed. There's a link.

    #6AuthorCM2DD (236324) 29 Apr 20, 12:48
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    The M-W example is also helpful.


    After she'd knocked, he opened the door.

    After she knocked, he opened the door.

    --> Here, the second example sounds better to me, as knocking is so quick. It's not an activity you do for a while until it is completed. The past perfect expresses completion.

    #7AuthorCM2DD (236324) 29 Apr 20, 12:58
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    #5 (Yep: English isn't German)


    Ha ha. So true in both directions :)

    #8AuthorDixie (426973) 29 Apr 20, 13:41
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    CM2DD, now I get it. Thank you!
    #9Author Birgila/DE (172576) 29 Apr 20, 16:45
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    Zum weiteren Verständnis:


    Ich hoffe jetzt, dass folgender Satz. wenn er denn überhaupt in Ordnung ist, das "had" benötigt. Liege ich da richtig?


    Her DNA could still be traced on the door's surface in 1996, after she had knocked at the door in 1979.

    #10Author harambee (91833) 29 Apr 20, 17:09
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    In einer Schulgrammatik habe ich dieses Beispiel für die Zeitenfolge gefunden:

    He entered after he had knocked at the door.

    Für Nicht-NES empfiehlt es sich wahrscheinlich, eher dem Muster dieses Satzes und Harambees zu folgen, ohne subtile Überlegungen über die Kürze oder Länge der Handlungen anzustellen.

    #11AuthorViking_ (925763) 29 Apr 20, 18:21
     
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