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    Die Konjuktion "that" – mit oder ohne?

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    Die Konjuktion "that" – mit oder ohne?

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    1. Did you know this movie can be summed up in one sentence?
    2. Did you know that this movie can be summed up in just a few sentences?


    Mit oder ohne "that". Ich weiß, dass beides geht, aber obwohl ich wirklich ganz gut Englisch spreche und schreibe, bin ich mir oft unsicher, was jetzt eleganter ist, was konziser / knackiger / alltäglicher / schriftlicher.

    Author pompelmo (475645) 20 Apr 23, 13:48
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    1. konziser, alltäglicher
    2. eleganter, schriftlicher


    knackiger? Not sure - I tend towards 2.

    #1Author amw (532814) 20 Apr 23, 13:53
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    Wie ist es mit lesbarer …?

    Wenn man einen Text schreibt, der freundlich und nahbar daher kommen soll, dabei möglichst kurz aber ohne jeden Widerstand zu lesen?

    #2Author pompelmo (475645) 20 Apr 23, 14:05
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    Für mich dann eindeutig Satz 2).

    #3AuthorSeltene Erde (1378604) 20 Apr 23, 14:39
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    In your example, I'd prefer 2, too. "Know" can take a direct object that isn't introduced by "that" - when I read "Did you know" and it isn't followed by "that", the possibility of "do you know this movie?" arises and has to be dismissed. It only takes a fraction of a second, but it is an irritant.

    That doesn't happen in "He says this movie can be summed up in one sentence", for instance.

    I don't think there is one answer for when it is better to elide the conjunction. In a densely written text, it can be a relief, making a text easier to read. Another kind of text might sound snappier without it.

    #4AuthorAE procrastinator (1268904) 20 Apr 23, 14:51
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    It only takes a fraction of a second, but it is an irritant.

    Ja, genau...

    #5AuthorSeltene Erde (1378604) 20 Apr 23, 14:53
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    Danke, das war sehr erhellend!

    #6Author pompelmo (475645) 20 Apr 23, 16:15
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    Swan (Practical English Usage) says that


    "after the commonest verbs of saying and thinking, that can be left out, particularly in a conversational style.

    ...

    Jane thought it was time to buy some new clothes.

    ...

    That is not so often left out in a more formal style, and there are many verbs (e,g, reply, telegraph) after which that is necessary.


    He replied that we ought to invest half the profits."


    I'd say that know is a member of the "thinking verbs".

    #7Author FernSchreiber (1341928) 20 Apr 23, 16:26
     
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