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    Crossover Chat 155

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    This isn't just another chat room. We're here to improve our language skills, German or English, and to encourage a spirit of community. Everyone is welcome who shares those aims.

    In the immortal words of our founder, odondon irl:
    «ein Faden, in dem Deutschsprechende auf Englisch und Englischsprechende auf Deutsch schreiben können, um zu üben, um Korrekturen zu ergattern, um des Spaßes Willen.»

    related discussion: Crossover Chat 154

    Highlights CC 154:

    MOTHER introduces herself. She's from India, which makes all snails curious, especially about Hindi languages.

    Goldammer's British guests finally arrive despite all efforts by the airlines to prevent this.

    All of a sudden, everyone seems to know more about birds than humanly possible. I learn, however, that a Taubenschwänzchen / hummingbird hawkmoth is not a bird, despite its name.

    Judex contributes some more lovely Nachtgesänge.

    The Mainz meeting is really nice, but everyone has to leave far too early for my taste. We consent that we have to meet again soon!

    Some rare snails, like h h, Artisan, taronga and even Wrdlbrmpfd [I used copy and paste to avoid typos] briefly show up, and we can welcome Flowerstar as a new snail!

    Snails talk about Indian food, very suitable for vegetarians and, actually, anybody who likes delicious meals!

    The term "Achtel(gläsle)" is explained. *interruptingthehighlightconnectingforamoment* Well, I had to doublecheck that! ;-) *sip*

    Uke tells us that historical instrument players pour strange liquid into - and out of - their instruments. The correct German word for "spit valve" is "Wasserklappe", by the way.

    The new LEO design shows some "teething troubles": it slows down the site considerably for some snails.

    Steve53 is back in the thread after a heart op. Best of luck to you, we all hope you are feeling better now, and get enough rest!

    Amy-MiMi and Wachtelkönig experience an earthquake in Illinois, even though Amy sleeps through most of it.

    Amy-MiMi invites us to share our thoughts on Holz' poems at mimis-musings.blogspot.com/

    MOTHER is looking for early German composers.

    Other subjects are beauty operations on teens, copper thefts due to high prizes and the US election campaigns.

    MOTHER tells us that Shubh ratri is Hindi for "good night", a nice way to end the highlight collection at this time of day.
    Author wi-chan (390817) 25 Apr 08, 01:26
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    the *...connecting...* was of course supposed to read *...collecting...*. Sorry.
    #1Author wi-chan (390817) 25 Apr 08, 01:30
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    Vielen Dank, wi-chan, und Shubh ratri dir auch. Hoffentlich musstest du so lange aufbleiben nicht nur darum, das neue Zimmer zu eröffnen. Ich will sagen, nicht nur deswegen. (Aaack. I hope you didn't have to stay up so late just for that reason.) Schlaf gut. (-:
    #2Author hm -- us (236141) 25 Apr 08, 01:43
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    Good (leftpondian) morning everybody!
    What a nice highlight connection - eeeeh, collection - indeed, wi-chan!

    #3Author Goldammer (428405) 25 Apr 08, 06:43
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    Good morning, Goldammer. But leftpondianwise, wouldn't it be rather good night? At least I am about to creep into bed.
    #4Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 25 Apr 08, 07:09
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    ups, got it wrong again. Well, I had only just got up, my brain seems to need a little longer to get going.
    #5Author Goldammer (428405) 25 Apr 08, 07:33
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    Eng.:beforehangcastle
    Deu.:Vorhängeschloss
    #6Authorshorted (437848) 25 Apr 08, 10:31
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    *Platzhalter*!! :-)
    #7Author suziq (315879) 25 Apr 08, 11:06
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    Hm -- us, don't worry, I did not stay up that late just to finish the thread. Truth is, I had trouble falling asleep as I am a "straw widow" at the moment and am not used to going to sleep without company. And as I did not have to get up early today, it did not matter.

    Suzi, I am not sure what you are trying to tell us ... Did you mean to replace your Platzhalter by something else before sending, and forgot, or is it just me not understanding your witty remark? Sorry!
    #8Author wi-chan (390817) 25 Apr 08, 11:14
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    @suziq
    I told my sons what you have done with you Minizicke's chaos and threatened to try that out on them one day. Do you know what they said?
    If I ever did this, they would put the chaos on my desk and the chaos in my "important-papers-thingy" in the kitchen all in a laundry basket and empty it onto the living room floor.
    So I decided that the risk is too high.... :-)
    #9Author Goldammer (428405) 25 Apr 08, 12:30
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    @goldammer :-)...das ist das Geheimnis...erst muss man selbst mit gutem Beispiel vorangehen, damit sie nicht zu Recht mit "aber du" kommen können!!!!

    @wi-chan - re: Platzhalter - war kein Witz. Ich erklärte gerade meinen Teilnehmer wie toll leo ist, und sah, dass es einen neuen Thread gab, und wollte mir das Leben einfacher machen, in dem ich ihn "festhielte"! Heute war der letzte Tag und jetzt bin ich etwas beschwipst, weil unser Koordinator einen Sekt ausgab! Jetzt will ich Rasen mähen :-(
    #10Author suziq (315879) 25 Apr 08, 15:44
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    :-( I need comfort ... Just got the results from my Business Studies written tests, failed them both. Probably prolongs my studies by one semester.

    Suzi: Oh, I understand. That, of course, makes sense. Does your lawn have wiggly lines now? *gg*
    #11Author wi-chan (390817) 25 Apr 08, 18:30
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    Danke fürs neue Schneckenhäuschen. Das alte war schon ein bisschen muffig.

    *wi-chan tröst* Das tut mir echt Leid. Ein extra Semester. Schade. Aber wenigstens darf man die Prüfungen wiederholen. Es wäre schlimmer, wenn man das nicht dürfte. *Sonnenschein und Muffins für wi-chan hinterlass*

    Gestern musste Herr MiMi zum Arzt. Nichts Ernstes, nur etwas Unangenehmes. Es ist sehr schade, dass er das tolle Frühlingswetter nicht genießen kann.

    Hier eine erstaunliche Nachricht. Gestern telefonierte ich zweimal mit der Uni, erfolglos. Ich muss diesen Sommer zwei Prüfungen ablegen, hatte aber erst Fragen, bevor ich mich für die Prüfungen eintragen lassen. Die Beraterin, mit der ich sprechen sollte, war den ganzen Tag beschäftigt. Sie hatte einmal angerufen, kurz bevor wir vom Arztbesuch nach Hause kamen. Das war es, dachte ich. Das muss ich wahrscheinlich aus dem Urlaub klären. 20 Uhr klingelte es. Sicherlich sind das meine Eltern, dachte ich. Aber nein! Es war die Frau von der Uni. Sie hatte ihre Unterlagen mit nach Hause genommen und mich am Abend angerufen. Ich war total erstaunt. Wie super. Sie konnte auch alle meine Fragen beantworten. Erstklassig war das!

    *in die Runde wink*
    #12Author Amy-MiMi (236989) 25 Apr 08, 18:48
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    Hey Amy! Good to hear it's nothing serious with Mr. MiMi. *hopingthesameforsuzitochter*

    You seem to be really lucky with your advisor (is that the right word for "Studienberaterin"? LEO says so). But mine, too, are usually real darlings (except for the Business Studies ones, of course...). Urlaub? When and where? Wish you lots of fun!

    Yes, I could resit those exams, but I think it is easier to replace those "Scheine" with other, equivalent ones. I failed mostly because I did not learn enough, and I did not learn enough because the subject was more than uninteresting (one was called "Investition und Finanzierung", the other "Interne Erfolgsrechnung", somehow says it all). The problem is, I have to have passed at least one of those to get a place in the seminar I need to finish my (minor) subject of Business Studies. Meaning I cannot do the seminar now, and probably meaning that I have to sacrifice this year's Ireland plans to learning :-( But it's only a postponement!

    Goldammer, how old are your sons? Aren't you still [6gear] "on the longer leverage"? I think the other secret of this kind of "mean means" of education is to start early, adolescence is probably too late already!
    #13Author wi-chan (390817) 25 Apr 08, 22:09
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    *tiggering'round*
    Best wishes for suziqette and Mr. MiMi!

    Phew, that was a bit more sport that I had intended. I opened the garage, drove the car out, parked it before the garage, went out to close the garage door - and that's it, car doesn't work anymore. So it will spend a night out in the Hof (court, yard?)... fortunately, it stands directly before our own garage and doesn't block anyone else's. But I had to pedal my way to the climbing hall by bike after that, my friends already waiting for me.
    #14Author tigger (236106) 25 Apr 08, 23:43
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    Amy, das ist gut zu hören -- besonders, wenn es bedeutet, ihr dürft jetzt rechtzeitig nach Iowa fahren. Es ist immer erfrischend, auf einen freundlichen, hilfreichen Vertreter der Bürokratie zu treffen.

    wi-chan, es tut mir leid, dass deine Prüfungen beide schlecht ausgegangen sind. Hoffentlich kannst du das nächste Mal ernsthafter lernen.

    Was auf Englisch intransitiv übrigens 'study' heißt: to study for a test, not study enough, study harder next time, spend the summer studying. 'Learn' ist meist eher transitiv: learn a language, learn the material, learn something new.

    Ja, 'advisor' stimmt genau. Meine Berater haben sich für mich nie besonders interessiert. Viele müssen so viele Schüler/Studenten betreuen, dass sie fast gezwungen werden, sich nur auf die wirklichen Problemfälle zu konzentrieren.



    #15Author hm -- us (236141) 25 Apr 08, 23:45
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    *f5* Hallo, tigger. Wenigstens musstest du den Wagen nicht alleine zurück in die Garage schieben.

    —> right in front of our garage

    Also du kletterst auf -- Kletterwände? Das sieht so aus, als würde man sehr starke Finger brauchen.

    Entschuldigung, ich muss noch ein paar Sachen erledigen, also gute Nacht an die Rechtsteichschnecken. (-:
    #16Author hm -- us (236141) 25 Apr 08, 23:52
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    Strong fingers aren't bad, but it is mainly a question of technique and your sense of balance. (Unfortunately, I'm not very good - I'd definitely need stronger arms. :-))
    Good night, everybody!
    #17Author tigger (236106) 25 Apr 08, 23:58
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    @wi-chan: Aha. Jetzt verstehe ich. Das waren Prüfungen um Scheine. Interne Erfolgsrechnung würde auch ich nicht bestehen. Hier wird Business German immer gefragt, aber ehrlich gesagt, mich interessiert das genauso wenig, wie Zeitschriften über Fische übersetzen (das machte eine Bekanntin von mir). Das Reiseziel ist Iowa. Abstecher nach Arkansas und Illinois sind geplant. Unterwegs mache ich kurz halt und schaue mir eine neue Buchhandlung an, die (ausschließlich?) deutsche Bücher verkauft. Hoffentlich werde ich keinem Kaufrausch erliegen.

    Wahrscheinlich braucht man fürs Klettern auch starke Zehen oder Krallen.

    @hm: Herr MiMi fährt wegen der Arbeit nicht mit, aber ich wollte ihn nicht hier alleine lassen, solange es ihm nicht gut ging. Es war eine Erleichterung, dass er tatsächlich zum Arzt gegangen ist, denn das macht er nur alle zehn Jahre. Meistens wenn er eine Kopfwunde hat oder so. ;-) Er geht sehr ungern zum Arzt. Der Krankenpfleger sagte ihm, dass er in seinem Alter gründlich untersuchen lassen sollte, und das sagte er auch zu. Natürlich gibt es immer noch keinen festen Termin, aber immerhin.

    Ich schreibe wahrscheinlich erst in ein paar Tagen. Schönes Wochenende.
    #18Author Amy-MiMi (236989) 26 Apr 08, 04:10
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    Guten Morgen!

    Danke für den neuen Faden wi-chan! Ich kann das verstehen, es ist kein schoenes Gefühl aber das hat auch eine positive Seite, nämlich das nächste Mal arbeitest du intnsiver :-) und wenn du nach ein paar Jahren auf diese Phase zurückblickst, wirst du feststellen, dass es so richtig gewesen ist. Something good will come out of it!

    Hallo tigger, Radfahren ist doch schoener als das Autofahren und das hat dich wahrscheinlich fuer das Klettern aufgewaermt oder?

    Hallo Ami, das hat mich an meine Betreuerin erinnert, die so oft 'out of her way' (weiss nicht wie man das auf Deutsch gesagt) gegangen ist mir zu helfen. Und so was vergisst man nie. Habe sie vor drei Wochen nach vielen Jahren wieder getroffen, war total nett. (hast du mit meinen Gedanken zu Holz' Gedichten ueberhaupt was anfangen koennen oder waren die dir einfach zu 'weird'? :-) Viel Spaß im Urlaub und wuensche Herrn Mimi Gute Besserung!

    Hallo suziq und Goldammer, liegt das vielleicht auch daran, dass Mädchen irgendwie immer ordentlicher sind als die Jungs! :-)

    Wuesche euch alle ein sonniges, erholendes Wochenende!

    #19AuthorMOTHER (383672) 26 Apr 08, 04:23
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    *wi-chantröst*
    #20Author suziq (315879) 26 Apr 08, 09:11
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    Have a good trip, Amy!

    Mother, this is one of the rare occasions where English and German are very close. Sie geht mir aus dem Weg is the German expression for s.o. who avoids meeting you.

    Spring seems to have arrived here. Weather forecast is bluesky with some white clouds.
    #21Author bluesky (236159) 26 Apr 08, 15:50
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    Here yesterday's thunderstorms annihilated the near-summer temperatures. But the geese made it this time. Just swam with nine goslings to the opposite bank where they are now grazing.
    #22Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 26 Apr 08, 17:37
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    ... eight goslings ...
    #23Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 26 Apr 08, 17:38
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    Bluesky, I like your way of forecasting yourself ...

    Thanks to everybody for the comfort! I decided to simply ignore those damn exams and enjoy the weather, which works quite well. And I think I should agree with MOTHER: I will see it as a lesson learned. Do not try to do too many things (or too many "Scheine") at once! That was what I did, and am now getting the result: Not enough time for each single one.

    hm, thank you for explaining the difference between learn and study, I did not know that!

    Amy, just surrender to your buying frenzy! They are books, they are worth it! There is no such thing as too many books, only "not enough shelves". ;-) I know that problem, on my last trip to England I had to carry a load of books in my backpack in order not to exceed the baggage allowance.

    Wachtelkönig, be careful, geese are very aggressive when they have goslings, similar to swans.
    #24Author wi-chan (390817) 26 Apr 08, 18:46
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    This whole goose business remains highly suspicious. The two geese were just returning briefly to their nest site, appearing somewhat irritated, one of them with two or three broken inner primaries sticking out from its back, and all the eight goslings are gone.
    There seems to be some ridiculous goose control in place (an effective one would prevent them right away from standing at sunrise on the rooftops and honking their syrinxes off). I wonder if the new property administrator will provide more information on these things.
    And I did not see any muskrat for at least a month.
    #25Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 26 Apr 08, 21:27
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    ... inner secondaries ...
    #26Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 26 Apr 08, 21:28
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    bluesky, ich glaube, du hast Mother missverstanden. 'To go out of one's way' bedeutet eigentlich, dass es zwar ein Umweg für die Beraterin war, aber sie hat trotzdem die Umstände gerne gemacht, hat sich besonders angestrengt, um Mother zu helfen.

    Ad Gänschen: Ach, wie süß. Sowohl die Vorstellung von einer Reihe flaumiger kleiner Kügelchen als auch von Wachtelkönig im Einzelkampf gegen eine wütende Muttergans. (Gans(e)mutter?) Ich wüsste eigentlich nicht, wer da am aggressivsten wäre, besonders, wenn sie so unklug wäre, lautstark noch zu 'hupen'. Obwohl, ich glaube, sie würde dann eher ... zischen? fauchen? Welches macht eine Gans?

    Hoffentlich war das 9. bloß ein Zählfehler und kein, ähm, ehemaliges Gänschen. (Gibt es eine Übersetzung vom dead parrot sketch?)

    wi-chan, wenn das bedeutet, dass du wenigstens schon andere Scheine bekommen hast, dann ist es hoffentlich nicht ganz so schlimm? Ich kenne mich mit dem deutschen Uni-System leider gar nicht aus und kann mich auch nicht erinnern, was sonst alles du versuchst hast, gleichzeitig zu lernen. (Oder sogar gleichzeitig studieren? Du hast von einem Nebenfach gesprochen, stimmt? Siehst du, 'lernen' und 'studieren' sind schwierig für uns auch. Und etwas an diesem Satz stimmt auch nicht. *seufz*)

    Jedenfalls hast du bestimmt recht, es würde nichts helfen (?), den Frühling deswegen nicht zu genießen. (-:

    #27Author hm -- us (236141) 26 Apr 08, 21:29
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    *f5* re Gänschen: Uh-oh. (Wie sagt bzw. schreibt man so was auf Deutsch?)

    Das hört sich nicht unbedingt gut an. So etwas schien auch letztes Jahr passiert zu haben, WIMRE?
    #28Author hm -- us (236141) 26 Apr 08, 21:31
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    I don't understand what happened to the goose family. What are primaries or secondaries in this context?

    hm--us
    Gänschen is right! It's one of those few cases where an s-ch is easily misread as a sch. Mäuschen is another one.

    Muttergans - Gänsemutter is both possible.

    ...noch lautstark zu "hupen" (word order)

    (Welches) was von den beiden macht eine Gans? (sie zischt, btw)

    what's the dead parrot sketch? Does one have to know?


    Siehst du, 'lernen' und 'studieren' sind auch für uns schwierig.




    #29Author Goldammer (428405) 26 Apr 08, 22:01
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    Danke, sawehe.

    primaries - Federn? Primarfedern, kann man sagen? Große Federn? Just a guess ...

    re dead parrot sketch: Google sollte da hilfreich sein. (-:
    #30Author hm -- us (236141) 26 Apr 08, 22:08
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    Sorry, maybe worth a New Entry suggestion, it refers to the greater wing feathers:
    Handschwingen - primaries
    Armschwingen - secondaries
    Schirmfedern - tertials

    The diminutives with -sch- I prefer to from with -lein, like Gänslein (much closer to the Swabian anyway, where it would be Gänsle).
    #31Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 26 Apr 08, 22:15
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    Found it on YouTube.
    :-)
    Great stuff!


    F5 thanks Wachtelkönig.
    So the Gänsle "have gone to meet their maker", is that what you think has happened?
    #32Author Goldammer (428405) 26 Apr 08, 22:27
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    *Knock knock* ... *shylyaroundthecornerpeep" ... may I join in?
    #33AuthorRhabarber (425989) 26 Apr 08, 23:13
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    *lol* Just come back from youtube myself. Maybe they're just resting...
    BTW, from Monty Python I went forth to Blackadder. Does anybody happen to have this outrageously glorious series on DVD?
    #34Author tigger (236106) 26 Apr 08, 23:14
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    Hi Rhubarb!
    Welcome, of course you can join in!
    I'd enjoy to meet you - but not before tomorrow...
    #35Author Goldammer (428405) 26 Apr 08, 23:17
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    *silentlyreplacing'have'by'own'*
    #36Author tigger (236106) 26 Apr 08, 23:19
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    Goot Eefenink!
    #37Author Wolfman (236211) 26 Apr 08, 23:23
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    Nighty night, Goldammer. Oh, and hello tigger, how nice to meet you again.
    #38AuthorRhabarber (425989) 26 Apr 08, 23:24
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    *hrumph* Hi Rhabarber! Hope you didn't take amiss my contributions to your manners thread... ;-)
    #39Author tigger (236106) 26 Apr 08, 23:26
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    ... rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb ....
    Hi! Nice to meet you. Hi, tigger. Everything bright and sunny in Essen?
    #40Author Wolfman (236211) 26 Apr 08, 23:27
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    Erm... bright and sunny... sure, Wolfman! (Always agree with wolves and lunatics, especially at night...)
    ;-)
    #41Author tigger (236106) 26 Apr 08, 23:31
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    *hüstel* Goldammer, das war noch ein Gerundium.

    —> enjoy meeting

    Gute Nacht.

    Hallo, tigger. Nein, ich habe Blackadder nur ein, zwei Mal gesehen. Lustig, aber irgendwie stehe ich nicht so auf Mr. Bean (wie auch immer er richtig heißt). Vielleicht liegt es an den Augenbrauen.

    Hier bekommen wir auf PBS oft eher uralte und nicht besonders lustige britische Sitcoms. EastEnders schon, manchmal Doctor Who, einmal eine Serie mit einem Pfarrerin ... Aber meist nur Zeug wie Are You Being Served.

    —> replacing'have'with'own'

    (Aber du kannst auch 'have' sagen, es war schon genau richtig.)

    Willkommen im CC, Rhabarber. Interessanter Nick. (-:
    #42Author hm -- us (236141) 26 Apr 08, 23:33
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    *f5* Guten Abend dir auch, Wolfman. (-: Immer noch schlimme Allergien?
    #43Author hm -- us (236141) 26 Apr 08, 23:36
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    —> mit einer Pfarrerin
    #44Author hm -- us (236141) 26 Apr 08, 23:37
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    That's exactly what I enjoy about Blackadder, hm--us, it is definitely another part of British humour than Mr. Bean. And there's Steven Fry as well!
    But never mind, I already found out that several libraries in Northrhine-Westphalia (*giggle*) own the DVDs, so I just ordered them by Fernleihe to my beloved library in Essen. That will definitely be cheaper than buying them on the Internet. (Excuse: Oh, that's just another training lesson for my exam... maybe the vocabulary will fit as well, you never know what they will ask you in the oral exam. *g*)
    #45Author tigger (236106) 26 Apr 08, 23:38
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    Argh! Stephen Fry... Sir Stephen, meanwhile. *imBodenversink*
    #46Author tigger (236106) 26 Apr 08, 23:39
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    Hi tigger! No, absolutely not. I rather admired your and Birgila's courage to admit that you like a bit of a fancy-dress party on LEO every now and then, and I was afraid that I got off on the wrong foot with you, thanks to my infamous German directness.
    I somehow got the impression you are from Austria, but Wolfman has just mentioned Essen - is he joking or did I get it all wrong?

    Oh, and hello Wolfman *shakinghands*, pleased to meet you.

    Now excuse me please. Mr. Rhubarb has cooked his world famous nut roast. See you in a while.

    :-)
    #47AuthorRhabarber (425989) 26 Apr 08, 23:44
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    @tigger: I shall be so kind as to ignore your comparison with "lunatics" ... *ggg*

    @hm--us: Hi! Well, it's that time of the year ... Everyone wants to sit outside in the beergardens - except me! A couple of nightts ago I returned from a (very international) pub meeting with two New Zealand neighbours and an English girl and it was pouring down with rain. The English girl had an umbrella, the New Zealanders didn't have one and I was the only one who said, "Thank God! Rain! That should wash away the pollens ..." (... or is it 'the pollen'?).
    #48Author Wolfman (236211) 26 Apr 08, 23:47
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    @tigger: I'm a great fan of "Blackadder" myself and I also like Stephen Fry. Centuries ago he had a TV series with Hugh Laurie (... isn't he "Dr House" these days?. Stephen Fry withdrew himself from the public for quite some time because he was suffering from depression. As far as I remember he also played in the "Blackadder" series.
    #49Author Wolfman (236211) 26 Apr 08, 23:53
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    No, that's quite correct. I am from Austria (just as Mr. zoo director), but have been living in Essen for 2,5 years. (Also to be seen in my profile. STMK means Steiermark, if anybody wanted to know that. :-))
    But now, little tigers ought to go to bed as well. Good night everybody!
    #50Author tigger (236106) 26 Apr 08, 23:53
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    Good night, tigger!

    Good night all! (I understand 'Rhabarber' has gone all nuts ... *ggg*)
    #51Author Wolfman (236211) 26 Apr 08, 23:59
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    Goodnight, hm--us!
    #52Author Wolfman (236211) 27 Apr 08, 00:00
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    Guten Appetit, Rhabarber (ist es nicht etwas spät noch zu essen?), gute Nacht, tigger, gute Nacht, Wolfman. (-:

    (BTW 'pollen' im Singular stimmt, da unzählbar. Obwohl, so viel davon, wie wir hier letzte Woche mit den Eichen hatten, müsste schon in den Billiarden von ?Körnern zählen, alles war gelb, mein Auto, die Terrasse, sogar die Außenseite der Haustür ...)
    #53Author hm -- us (236141) 27 Apr 08, 00:10
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    Good evening, hm--us. I agree that it's not very sensible to eat a heavy meal shortly before midnight, and if I always followed Mr Rhubarbs ideas of healthy eating, I would probably put on a lot of weight - or go nuts, as Wolfman suggested. But it was lovely.

    As to my nickname - which is probably even more nuts than my diet - it just happened. The first three or four nicknames I tried were already given away, so I played around, typed in anything that came to my mind, and 'Rhabarber' was finally accepted. That's how I became who I am.

    By the way, I had a lot of fun with with your comment on the s-genitive one or two weeks ago. :-)

    Good night everybody!
    #54AuthorRhabarber (425989) 27 Apr 08, 00:33
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    ...talking of the s-genitive: Mr Rhubarb's ideas, of course!
    #55AuthorRhabarber (425989) 27 Apr 08, 00:34
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    @hm--us
    *blush* ...enjoy was definitely on my student's list, no excuse this time.

    Rhabarber, nice to meet you here. I enjoyed the thread on Leo manners, and now I know where I had seen your nick before.
    What's a nut roast btw?
    #56Author Goldammer (428405) 27 Apr 08, 08:48
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    @ wi-chan: Sorry to hear about the tests.

    @ wi-chan & hm--us: In the last thread hm--us wrote "Das Wetter muss jetzt * überall schön sein und niemand will am Computer sitzen." and wi-chan replied that "means that the weather is obliged to be nice (or else it will face sanctions of some sorts)." Sorry, I don't agree ;-). I understood hm--us perfectly well and I rather think the suggestions change the meaning of the sentence.

    * I think a "wohl" here makes the sense even clearer.

    @ Goldammer: That didn't work with my son either. And it didn't matter how cleaned up everything that belonged to me was. And I didn't only start trying to teach him to be a tidy person when he was a teenager (actually, that's when he started not being one...).
    #57Authorbabs (31738) 27 Apr 08, 12:49
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    @ wi-chan: Sorry to hear about the tests.

    @ wi-chan & hm--us: In the last thread hm--us wrote "Das Wetter muss jetzt * überall schön sein und niemand will am Computer sitzen." and wi-chan replied that "means that the weather is obliged to be nice (or else it will face sanctions of some sorts)." Sorry, I don't agree ;-). I understood hm--us perfectly well and I rather think the suggestions change the meaning of the sentence.

    * I think a "wohl" here makes the sense even clearer.

    @ Goldammer: That didn't work with my son either. And it didn't matter how cleaned up everything that belonged to me was. And I didn't only start trying to teach him to be a tidy person when he was a teenager (actually, that's when he started not being one...).
    #58Authorbabs (31738) 27 Apr 08, 12:49
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    Oops, sorry.
    #59Authorbabs (31738) 27 Apr 08, 12:50
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    Hier ist eine Nettigkeit für Menschen, die Powerpoint Presentationen benutzen:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp8dugDbf4w
    Viel Spaß!! :-)

    Nach einem Spontanbesuch bei Ikea bin ich schreibtischtechnisch gut ausgestattet. Ikeamöbel zusammenbauen ist eine gute Familienbeschäftigung für das Wochenende! Und nachher schauen wir das Resultat an und sind glücklich und zufrieden - und jeder hat das Gefühl etwas dazu beigetragen zu haben! Jetzt muss ich zusehen, dass ich den Sperrmüll abholen lasse (sonst brauche ich eine neue Garage!)

    Später schingen wir uns auf die Räder und fahren ein wenig durch den Wald. Spätestens am großen Zaun der Startbahn West ist der Weg zu Ende!!
    #60Author suziq (315879) 27 Apr 08, 13:36
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    Uuups! Hallo Rhabarber...:-)
    #61Author suziq (315879) 27 Apr 08, 13:37
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    Any snails around?
    #62Author judex (239096) 27 Apr 08, 21:40
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    Just the newbie-snail. Hello Judex!
    #63AuthorRhabarber (425989) 27 Apr 08, 21:43
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    No, an "oldbie-snail" is around as well! *wave* Nice to have you here, Rhabarber!

    Hey, Suzi, my desk is from IKEA too. Thanks for the link, I think I will have a look at it later.

    Just a tiny correction: a presentation changes its vowel to "Präsentation" in German.

    @babs and hm-us: It was probably just me, but my association when I read "das Wetter muss gut sein" was "Und wehe, wenn nicht!" Re-reading it, I agree with babs that you don't have to read it that way.Sorry for the confusion I might have caused.

    Obviously, pollen are not only uncountable, but also countless.
    #64Author wi-chan (390817) 27 Apr 08, 21:55
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    Welcome veggie though you contain too much of oxalic acid which makes my kidney stones grow :-)
    Hi wi-chan. When shall we meet again? In Thunder, Lightning or in Rain?
    #65Author judex (239096) 27 Apr 08, 22:32
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    Well, that makes three of us - enough for a little chat.

    wi-chan, when I read about your bad luck with that blinking exam, I suddenly remembered a quote from Samuel Beckett. It reads:
    "Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better". Of course you won't take it literally, at least not the last two bits!

    It looks as if I missed Goldammer this morning - he seems to be an early bird. Anyway, Goldammer, a nut roast is an oven dish made from vegetables such as spinach, carrots, tomatoes, and various ground and roasted nuts, and it is served with a delicious mushroom sauce. As Mr Rhubarb has recently turned vegetarian, this nut roast is very likely to become one of our stock recipes - my fate could be worse :-)

    @Judex: Thanks for your contributions to my 'manners' thread the other day. Your comments were always so coherent (that's not what I mean, but I can't find a better word at the moment) that a response wasn't necessary. But I didn't mean to ignore you -- just for the records :-)

    Hello to suziq. I hope you had no problems assembling the desk?
    #66AuthorRhabarber (425989) 27 Apr 08, 22:47
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    Judex, so you did keep your distance because you thought I wouldn't agree with you?

    By the way, can somebody give me an explanation for the term 'snails'? I read back to CC 151 or so, but couldn't find any hints. It probably reaches back to one of the very first CC threads.

    I am a bit worried now - do snails attack rhubarb??
    #67AuthorRhabarber (425989) 27 Apr 08, 22:58
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    Hi there!
    The term "snails" refers to calling this chat the "snail chat", due to it proceeding much more slowly than the normal Quasselzimmer (which is no longer true).
    #68Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 27 Apr 08, 23:07
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    @Rhabarber
    Just can't follow you completely. Didn't felt ignored.
    Re: snails. This thread used to be one of the first threads in Leo going around the world all the 24 hours. The flip-side was that you had to wait for an answer from the other side of the pond (the left-ponderians) for quite a while. Therefore "snails".
    #69Author judex (239096) 27 Apr 08, 23:10
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    Sorry, you were still down to two, been a bit busy.

    Judex, I thought we agreed on another meeting in sunshine, on your terrace? No bubbling kettles involved, I hope?

    Hm, "nut roast" as you describe it sounds plain delicious! As soon as Wik (or anybody) has opened his recipe thread, that certainly belongs there! And maybe it was just a typo, rhubarb, but Goldammer is a she-bird.

    I think judex was rather afraid you might not agree with his kidney stones, but come to think of it, probably neither does he himself ...

    I do not know whether snails attack rhubarb. But it is a fact that (most of) us snails are attracted by beer ...
    #70Author wi-chan (390817) 27 Apr 08, 23:11
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    @ Rhabarber: Welcome to the CC. This is called the snail-chat because of its usually very slow pace. Sometimes we're rather fast, but usually just "slime" along. Hmmmm, do we attack rhubarb? Well, just make sure there isn't any sugar around to dip you in *fg*.
    #71Authorbabs (31738) 27 Apr 08, 23:12
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    Oh, not my day. Obviously forgot to f5.

    I am better off to bed. Good night / evening.
    #72Authorbabs (31738) 27 Apr 08, 23:16
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    No, we, the snails, don't attack rhubarb because of the above mentioned oxalic acid :-)
    #73Author judex (239096) 27 Apr 08, 23:20
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    I prefer to consume beer and would never attack rhubarb.
    #74Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 27 Apr 08, 23:20
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    @wi-chan
    Not forgotten!
    #75Author judex (239096) 27 Apr 08, 23:21
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    judex' nachtgesang

    Abendgefühl

    Friedlich bekämpfen
    Nacht sich und Tag.
    Wie das zu dämpfen,
    Wie das zu lösen vermag!

    Der mich bedrückte,
    Schläfst du schon Schmerz?
    Was mich beglückte,
    Sage, was war's doch, mein Herz?

    Freude, wie Kummer,
    Fühl ich zerrann,
    Aber den Schlummer
    Führten sie leise heran.

    Und im Entschweben,
    Immer empor,
    Kommt mir das Leben

    Friedrich Hebbel
    #76Author judex (239096) 27 Apr 08, 23:36
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    A real Nachtgesang this time, thank you! I, too, feel how the "Schlummer" is "herangetragen".

    Little self-correctorito re #70: It's attracted to, isn't it?
    #77Author wi-chan (390817) 27 Apr 08, 23:49
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    I just googled rhubarb / snails and found some worrying stuff. But information from the net should never be trusted, as my tutor used to say. I thought I could bribe you with some rhubarb pie, but Babs's remark about sugar makes me think this is not a very good idea. (Hello Babs! Sleep well!) Let's just say that snails like rhubarb, and we will be fine :-)

    Hi Wachtelkönig! Are you still fighting to get your lost tailfeather back? Maybe you should really become an Achtelkönig - this missing g is a bit disfiguring, particularly for a dedicated ornithologist like you. On the other hand, the allusion to the nice dry wines from our part of the woods might disagree with Judex's kidney stones.

    I am posting nonsense. Bed time!
    #78AuthorRhabarber (425989) 27 Apr 08, 23:49
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    Guten Morgen alle :-)
    Die Sonne scheint und der Pollen fliegt :-( *schutzsuch*

    @Rhabarber - Ikeamöbel zusammenzubauen ist kein Problem, wenn man Kinder hat...sie sind glücklich, helfen zu dürfen. Ich bin ein Verfechter des Huckleberry-Finn-Prinzips. Man muss eine Aufgabe nicht als Arbeit anbieten sondern als eine Ehre und Spaß noch dazu. Gestern wollten meine Kinder einen Busch "in Form" bringen (mit der Heckenschere). Zum Schluss durften sie es machen als Belohnung dafür, dass sie Blätter kehren und das alte Gehölz aus den anderen Büschen rausholen! Ich gebe zu, dass ich mich von meinem Busch innerlich verabschiedet hatte aber sie hatten es wirklich schön gemacht!!

    So...auf in den Kampf...Besuch beim Finanzamt und dann habe ich (hoffentlich) Ruhe für ein Jahr!
    #79Author suziq (315879) 28 Apr 08, 09:19
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    Hier ist wirklich nichts los!!!

    @wi-chan, judex,judica, Mr.wi und wrdl (falls du das liest)...eine Nachricht und Geschenk von dem Flöcklikind :-)
    Heute habe ich einen Brief vom Flöckli bekommen (sie hatte nur meine Adresse herausbekommen): Sie fährt mit einem Hausboot durch die Wildnis der Mecklenburg-Vorpommernschen-Seeplatte, und wird bestimmt "en Detail" berichten, wenn sie wieder on-line ist. Auf jedem Fall hat sie einen Schoki-Gruß gleich postalisch mitgeschickt. Diesen Gruß habe ich gleich in den Kühlschrank zur sicheren Aufbewahrung gelegt! (wird bei dem nächsten Treffen ordnungsgemäß verteilt - versprochen!)

    @Flöckli: DANKE SCHÖN :-D ...wirklich lieb von Dir!
    #80Author suziq (315879) 28 Apr 08, 12:22
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    Thank you indeed, Flöckli! Chocolate greetings from Switzerland are always appreciated! Let's hope the Suzichildren will let it live, but they seem better behaved than me at their age, so I guess they will.

    Have fun, enjoy your tour! Looking forward to your report!
    #81Author wi-chan (390817) 28 Apr 08, 12:40
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    Hi wi-chan! Suzikids wollen weiter leben und lassen Schoki ganz bestimmt in Ruhe ;-)
    Erst am Samstag habe ich erzählt, wie froh ich bin, Mitglied bei den Gelben Engeln zu sein, und heute komme ich zur Arbeit und 4m vor dem Parkplatz ging der Motor aus und beim Anlassen ruckelte das Auto nur. Tja...liebe Marder Tierchen hatten das Hauptzündkabel durchgebissen und zwei weitere angeknabbert! Mann bin ich erleichtert, dass es nichts Ernsteres gewesen ist.
    #82Author suziq (315879) 28 Apr 08, 15:00
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    wi-chan: Re #70, snails and beer
    Wrong connection, it reminds me that you still are to be drowned in oat beer.
    *pushingwi-chanintoabarrelofoatbeer* :)

    Hello, just sliming in to say hello. I haven't been around much recently and am not really in the mood to read the last thread (which I missed completely).
    suziq: stoats can be a pain in the ***, I hope you won't get another visit of this lovely animal

    A warm welcome to the new snails, even if they don't feel very snail-like yet ;)

    I'm actually getting a little bit envious about your meetings. I will be over in good ol' Germany in the end of June/beginning of July. Some of the South-Western snails around then?
    There should be some recipe threads around in LEO, for teh people who are interesting. At the moment I just don't want to start another thread for it due to limited time to actually read it.

    *fishingwi-chanoutofthebeerandtossingheratowel* Just kidding, can't have a fellow snail drowning... ;)
    #83Author Wik (237414) 28 Apr 08, 17:59
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    auto-correction:
    the (not teh) people who are interested.

    Well, to my excuse, I was gttign up at 5.30 this mornig to finish some presentation for today. Need some sleep now!
    #84Author Wik (237414) 28 Apr 08, 18:02
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    Well,Wik, what about THIS:

    related discussion: LEO-Stammtisch Stuttgart

    I will quite certainly be there, and I would love to meet you there! I think it will be one of the greatest Leo meetings this year!
    #85Author Goldammer (428405) 28 Apr 08, 19:01
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    Sorry, Wik, that was the wrong link. (They were next to each other in the Quasselzimmer list).
    What I meant was of course this:

    related discussion: Internationales Leotreffen 28. und 29. Juni i...
    #86Author Goldammer (428405) 28 Apr 08, 19:03
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    *shakingbeeroutofmyhair* *swallow* Hm, not even bad. And they say it's good for the hair. And don't you think I owe you one for not drowning me!

    Sorry I can't be there at the great LEO meeting, already plans for that weekend.
    #87Author wi-chan (390817) 28 Apr 08, 21:41
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    I just dug out an old recipe thread, for all those who are still interested: related discussion: Rezepte
    #88Author wi-chan (390817) 28 Apr 08, 22:10
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    @suziq: Hi! I don't live in the wilderness, aren`t I lucky? My vintage car is still running ... (although - at today's petrol prices I prefer going by public transport which, in my area, is *sort of* ok ... (and costs about €52 a month within the Ruhr).
    Hope you and yours are ok!
    #89Author Wolfman (236211) 28 Apr 08, 23:52
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    Hi Wolfie! Alles klar hier. In der Wildnis lebe ich auch nicht...mitten im Neubaugebiet...obwohl vor einigen Jahren hatten wir Wildschweine hier rumrennen, weil irgendwelche Menschen ihnen die "Freiheit" schenken wollten. Das war nicht besonders lustig, weil sie am Spielplatz herumgerannt sind.

    Kinotipp vom heutigen Abend: Kirschblüten mit Elmar Weppner und Hannelore Elsner - ein sehr schöner Film, der auf einer Art sehr Lebensnah ist. Ein älteres Ehepaar - einer stirbt unerwartet und der andere denkt: "wenn ich das gewusst hätte, wäre ich ihr netter gewesen". Auch die Beziehungen zwischen "Dorfeltern" und "Stadtkindern" wurden auch sehr schön dargestellt. Der Film hat zu Recht einige Preise gewonnen.
    #90Author suziq (315879) 29 Apr 08, 00:31
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    Goldammer: thanks for the link. I'm considering driving along the A8 on the Sunday, the Saturday is already booked out.
    wi-chan: yeah, beer is good for skin and hair. The discussion is currently about the question whether you need to apply it on the outside or whether uptake of teh liquid actually has a similar effect. Well, the trials are going on... ;)

    Take care, guys!
    #91Author Wik (237414) 29 Apr 08, 14:32
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    Wik: I guess what will happen on Sunday is some sort of brunch before the Leonides return home again. It would be lovely to have you there - I haven't ever met any of the CC-ies (how would you translate CC-ler?) in person.
    #92Author Goldammer (428405) 29 Apr 08, 16:27
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    @sue
    You're welcome.
    So you actually got it? I was already afraid the German Mail (it says they're strinking) could have put it anywhere.
    Take it out of the fridge before you eat it, the chocolate's better if it's not ice cold.
    #93Author Snowflake (260254) 29 Apr 08, 22:17
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    @suziq: Do you still remember the "Rover" car manufacturers? Well, I'm still driving one of their 1991 products ... ;-)
    #94Author Wolfman (236211) 30 Apr 08, 00:02
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    @Wolfie: Mein Vater fuhr immer gerne Rover ...jetzt ist er in seinen alten Jahren aufs Sternchen umgestiegen! Ich habe einen Schwedischen Panzer und werde ihn wahrscheinlich noch einige Jahren fahren müssen - nicht besonders portmonnaiefreundlich benzintechnisch gesehen, aber der Verlust würde durch einen besseren Verbrauch (vom neueren Auto) trotzdem nicht wettgemacht werden. Bis jetzt hat er wenig Probleme gemacht.
    #95Author suziq (315879) 30 Apr 08, 08:30
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    Hi Wik!
    This article in our local paper today reminded me of your activities:

    http://www.gea.de/detail/981146

    #96Author Goldammer (428405) 30 Apr 08, 08:58
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    nanu? all the snails polishing the leaves in their gardens?
    #97Author Snowflake (260254) 30 Apr 08, 19:54
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    Hi Sonwoflake! No garden here, wonder if I should plant a new flower into the pot on my patio. Maybe the fungus gnats will return.
    #98Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 30 Apr 08, 20:34
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    no gardening here, either. Though there'd be a garden, but it's raining.
    But I'm not a too skilled gardener either, I even manage to kill a cactus. I guess it was the ice tea I gave it that killed it. I thought some sugar and some coffein might be healthy, but it somehow it wasn't.
    Ah well, we've cut the dead part off and re-planted the rest. I guess it will grow again.
    #99Author Snowflake (260254) 30 Apr 08, 20:49
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    Sorry, Snowflake, there went something wrong with your name.
    #100Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 30 Apr 08, 20:49
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    ...I'm not a too skileed gardener anyway
    #101Author Snowflake (260254) 30 Apr 08, 20:50
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    I would actually like to have a neat garden. But no real home, no garden.
    #102Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 30 Apr 08, 20:52
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    no real home?
    You don't live on the streets, do you?
    #103Author Snowflake (260254) 30 Apr 08, 20:55
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    No, in a way too big and mostly empty one bedroom apartment with ten-head-family size freezer and turkey-size oven.
    #104Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 30 Apr 08, 21:17
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    Buy a smaller freezer and put the big one on a shiny place and use it as a flowerbed?
    #105Author Snowflake (260254) 30 Apr 08, 21:22
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    Or cover up the A/C compressor with it? I doubt that the administration of the place would like that.
    #106Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 30 Apr 08, 21:30
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    Clean it up, before they come checking your household :-D


    BTW What is an A/C Copmressor??
    #107Author Snowflake (260254) 30 Apr 08, 21:45
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    Something superfluous that should be dumped into the goosepond: the annoying machines they have outside the buidlings that they use for inside warmth annihilation. Never use mine, but the one of a second-floor thermophobiac is placed in front of my bedroom window.
    #108Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 30 Apr 08, 21:52
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    Argh, my computer just let me down and broke down, beacuse I sticked some USB thing into it.
    It seemed to greatly dislike this and booted.
    Need to break it of that habbit, it sucks.


    "Thermophobiac" ;-)

    But honestly, I prefer it cold, too.
    #109Author Snowflake (260254) 30 Apr 08, 22:16
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    Well, as a snowflake. I'd prefer tropical climate.
    #110Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 30 Apr 08, 22:30
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    ;-)
    The hotter the better, eh?
    #111Author Snowflake (260254) 30 Apr 08, 22:32
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    Bye Wachtelkönig, sleep well or do whatever it's time for in your region!
    #112Author Snowflake (260254) 30 Apr 08, 22:38
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    Hi Snowy - schön, dass du wieder da bist :-)

    You STUCK your USB thing (not "sticked")
    "I'll have to get it to break that habit"
    #113Author suziq (315879) 01 May 08, 09:59
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    Hello everybody, have a nice 1st of May!

    Snowflake, how was your house boat trip? Everything went well, no-one drowned in something less pleasant that oat beer?

    What was it you stuck into your PC? Just a USB stick or some other device? It can be problematic if you use the USB slot you have previously used for, say, a printer, for something else without properly uninstalling the printer, and equally problematic to "move" the printer from one slot to another.

    I am also more for cold than too hot. I like snuggling into my blanket, preferrably with a good book and hot cocoa.
    #114Author wi-chan (390817) 01 May 08, 16:37
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    Our houseboat trip was very nice we saw a loat of wild animals like watersnakes (yes, in Germany) wild boars and different seldom birds like kingfisher and cranes.
    And I found a huuuuuuuuge spider in my room. It was so huge, I even heard it crawling around in that cardboard box it fell into. My family claims one can't hear spiders crawling around, but really, I heard that one.

    No-one has fallen into the water so far or gone swimming by free will.

    I stuck an SD-card scanner into it, but latetly it even seems to mind my mp3-player, it never minded before.
    #115Author Snowflake (260254) 02 May 08, 10:20
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    Moin snails!
    I am back from the Erfurt trip. We had a reunion in our orphange. It was wonderful, a lot of "kids", now "old men and women". We stayed a couple of days visiting some of my
    "Mischpoke" I haven't seen for ages and we also enjoyed the sightseeing in Erfurt.
    In the meantime our garden looks like a green hell.

    @snowflake, glad you enjoyed the boat trip in Mecklenburg. In the seventies I build an
    8 meter boat and our family spend every spare time on the water. In our vacations we have always been at the "Mecklenburgische Seenplatte".
    Have you been in Berlin doing some rides with U-Bahn?


    #116Author Steve53 (329426) 02 May 08, 11:03
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    loads, Steve, loads.
    I'm still rather fascinated, there's an U-bahn every two minutes and they're really fast.

    I suggest a flamethrower to master the green hell :D
    *wegduck*
    #117Author Snowflake (260254) 02 May 08, 11:12
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    Me too, I think the best thing about Berlin U-Bahn is the schedule. :-)
    Berlinwise, I'm fairly mad at our Local Public Office right now because they gave us misleading information which resulted in us losing the straight-up day-care spot. Now we have to wait until September. By then I'll probably have lost track of my PhD thesis completely.

    I am turning 30 tomorrow. Should I be depressed? *pondering*
    Apart from age-related philosophical thoughts, pre-relocation work is in progress. Boxes all over the Lore-place.
    #118Author Lore (236345) 02 May 08, 14:46
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    Why should you be depressed, Lore? As Mark Twain once said: Age is a question of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter.

    Oh, that's really annoying, if such an important thing depends on such little as getting (figuratively speaking) the right bus in time. Poor you.

    Snowflake, I hope you have an effective insect repellent against the mosquitos, or have you not been pestered yet?

    By the way, today I picked up my last "Schein" for English Linguistics. Now I can do a so-called "vorgezogene Nebenfachprüfung" and get this, at least, over with. I have to pick three linguistic topics for this (oral) exam, and will be examined about 15 minutes about each of these topics. I am, of course, open to your suggestions! ;-) What linguistic subjects would you find interesting to discuss?
    #119Author wi-chan (390817) 02 May 08, 22:11
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    Hi, wi-chan! I guess I find topics in English linguistics about as interesting as you would find EU policies ;-) But personally, I am interested in the reasons... for the use of "well" instead of "really" or "very" by some sectors of the British population (or at least the South East). As in : That was well nice (or even worse: That was well good) MAKES ME CRINGE!!!!
    #120Author neuchateloise (412016) 02 May 08, 22:34
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    Jolly well right! ;-)

    My last research paper (on which I got a 1,7, by the way ...) was about pronouns in jokes, and the Prof suggested that would make a nice topic in an oral exam, implying with his tone of voice that it might just grade similarly in an oral exam, so that one's settled. I was considering talking about "false friends" as another one, because it interests me.
    #121Author wi-chan (390817) 02 May 08, 22:39
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    Not sure if that's the same though. My example seems more like chav speak (if you forgive me the not-very-pc term)
    #122Author neuchateloise (412016) 02 May 08, 22:41
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    Well, "false friends" seems to be a never ending story and thus a good topic for an exam. This would interest me too especially whether there are any patterns in it .

    Hope you all are fine!
    #123Author judex (239096) 02 May 08, 22:49
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    Yes, and how they developped. Whether "become" and "bekommen" have common roots and it is maybe not that stupid to become a steak! (Admittedly, could think of better ideas.) I could imagine there is lots of literature on that subject, never bad to prepare for an oral exam.

    I hope we find you well, too?

    I know, neuchate, that our examples were not on the same level, I just could not resist. Actually, I have never heard "well" used in the way you describe it, as far as I recall.
    #124Author wi-chan (390817) 02 May 08, 22:59
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    Nachtgesang

    Rainer Maria Rilke
    Abend

    Der Abend wechselt langsam die Gewänder,
    die ihm ein Rand von alten Bäumen hält;
    du schaust: und von dir scheiden sich die Länder,
    ein himmelfahrendes und eins, das fällt;
    und lassen dich, zu keinem ganz gehörend,
    nicht ganz so dunkel wie das Haus, das schweigt,
    nicht ganz so sicher Ewiges beschwörend
    wie das, was Stern wird jede Nacht und steigt -
    und lassen dir (unsäglich zu entwirrn)
    dein Leben bang und riesenhaft und reifend,
    so daß es, bald begrenzt und bald begreifend,
    abwechselnd Stein in dir wird und Gestirn.
    #125Author Goldammer (428405) 02 May 08, 23:12
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    Ein sehr hübsches Gedicht, Goldammer!

    wi: well done for your 1.7! ;-) and if you're in the deep South, a.k.a. KENT, you hear that all the time, I don't know about the rest of GB though.
    #126Author neuchateloise (412016) 02 May 08, 23:18
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    At least one positive thing relating to these age-related philosophical thoughts: no more exams, and sufficient theses written.
    #127Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 02 May 08, 23:47
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    Happy Birthday to you,
    Happy Birthday to you,
    Happy Birthday, dear Lore,
    Happy Birthday to you!

    Sorry, I've never been much of a singer, but I wish you a great day, with lots of cakes, and even more boxes, this time with loads of presents in them!

    Have the best of weekends, everyone!
    #128Author wi-chan (390817) 03 May 08, 00:01
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    Nice timing, wi-chan!
    #129Author bluesky (236159) 03 May 08, 00:19
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    @ Lore

    Viel Glück und Freud' im neuen Jahr,
    auf Weh und Wunden gute Salbe,
    auf groben Klotz, ein grober Keil,
    auf einen Schelmen anderthalbe!

    Lore, thirty is a wonderful age, I woldn't mind being thirty again.
    You know the old song: "Man müsste noch mal thirty sein und so verliebt....."

    Did I get this right, you are leaving Berlin??

    #130Author Steve53 (329426) 03 May 08, 09:37
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    Good morning snails,

    I hope you have all had a nice and productive week.

    @ wi-chan: Someone has recently unearthed an old thread, Muttersprache, on the language lab, it shouldn't be too far down on the site. It is about how bilingual people mentally organise the different languages, where they become truly bilingual, where their mother tongue dominates and where they frequently lapse. It reminded me that a tutor of mine once mentioned that there are two kinds of language learners and translators: those who think in the foreign language and those who think in their native language and mentally translate before they speak up. Wouldn't this aspect of bi-lingualism make a good topic for your oral exam?

    Happy birthday to Lore!

    And hello to all the snails I haven't met yet.
    #131AuthorRhabarber (425989) 03 May 08, 10:52
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    I meant to write 'how bi-lingual people mentally organise their different languages
    #132AuthorRhabarber (425989) 03 May 08, 11:17
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    Herzlichen Glückwunsch zum Geburtstag, Lore! 30 ist ein tolles Alter und ich hatte damit überhaupt kein Problem. 40+ ist auch in Ordnung!!! ;-)

    @wi-chan - re: bekommen/become - Ich denke, dass sie schon irgendwie verwandt sind, wenn man "die Richtung"-Bedeutung berücksichtigt. In meinen Kursen ist es immer wieder interessant, wenn man versucht die Wortwurzeln zu ermitteln, damit die Teilnehmer eventuell ihre eigenen "Brücken" bauen können...und dann kommt das "Aha!" - das gefällt mir immer wieder.

    @Rhabarber - Danke für den Muttersprache-Thread-Tipp! Ich werde ihn nachher anschauen...als Quasibetroffene ;-)
    #133Author suziq (315879) 03 May 08, 12:10
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    Happy birthday, Lore!!
    All the best for the new decade in your life. I agree with Steve that your thirties are a very nice period of your life, and I don't see any reason for you to feel depressed about it!

    @Steve
    As far as I know, Lore is preparing to move to Berlin, not away from there.

    Welcome neuchateloise! I don't think I've seen you here before - nice to have you here! I've read some of your EU thread.
    #134Author Goldammer (428405) 03 May 08, 12:26
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    Did you mean this one, Goldammer? related discussion: Muttersprache
    As far as I understand it, it is rather about in what situations you use your mother tongue when living in another country, speaking a foreign language (which also is quite an interesting subject, by the way).

    Ach, I see I will not have the problem of not finding topics for my exam, rather of having too many, not being able to decide! But I think I quite like the "Muttersprache"-topic, because I know so many people I can ask questions about that (including you folks). Thank you, Goldammer!

    Steve: Did the song really go "Man müsste noch mal thirty sein"?
    #135Author wi-chan (390817) 03 May 08, 12:51
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    Although rhubarbs can be found in gardens, they are no birds, wi-chan :-)
    #136AuthorRhabarber (425989) 03 May 08, 13:03
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    Oh, I am sorry! Just why did I confuse you two now?

    Thank you, Rhabarber, of course!
    #137Author wi-chan (390817) 03 May 08, 13:05
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    @wi-chan, well no not really. I was up to encourage Lore. The song is:
    "Man müsste nochmal zwanzig sein und so verliebt wie damals".

    Rhubarb is coming up soon. I love rhubarb cake, with yeast crust and sweet butter crumbles on top.

    Now I have a puddle on my tongue !
    #138Author Steve53 (329426) 03 May 08, 16:11
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    Hi Steve!...lange nicht "gesehen"...wir haben auch gerade Rhabarberkuchen mit Schlagsahne auf der Terrasse gegessen *neidischmach*. Das Wetter ist herrlich und das Unkraut wächst so schnell, dass man regelrecht zugucken kann. Ich wollte eine Pflanze beobachten, aber sie wurde schon ausgerupft - wissenschaftliches Experiment, ade!
    #139Author suziq (315879) 03 May 08, 16:45
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    suziq What kind of plant was it that you wanted to make scientific reseach on and who on earth destroyed it? Of course I am envious of your "Tasty Cake" but I had a "Schwarzwald Eisbecher" this afternoon.
    #140Author Steve53 (329426) 03 May 08, 19:10
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    @Steve - keine Ahnung, was sie war...das war mir nicht wichtig...nur die Geschwindigkeit. Wrdlbrmpfd versucht seinen Garten zu pflegen und sie störte!! Jetzt gibt es gleich eine Überraschung aus der Gemüsekiste...muss den Tisch decken. Bis dann :-)
    #141Author suziq (315879) 03 May 08, 19:25
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    Schönen guten Abend!

    Herzlichen Glückwunsch Lore zu dem magischen Zahl 30! "Wenn einer in sein dreißigstes Jahr geht, wird man nicht aufhören, ihn jung zu nennen..." weiss nun nicht wie die Zitat von Bachmann weiter geht. Alles Gute zu dem neuen Anfang und fuer den Umzug!

    Gratulation wi-chan zu der guten Noten! Das studentische Leben ist mE das Beste, bin auch beim Ueberlegen, ob ich vielleicht weiterstudiere (ja in diesem Alter :-)


    Nachtgesang

    Sprich aus der Ferne
    Heimliche Welt,
    Die sich so gerne
    Zu mir gesellt!
     
    Wenn das Abendrot niedergesunken,
    Keine freudige Farbe mehr spricht,
    Und die Kränze still leuchtender Funken
    Die Nacht um die schattichte Stirne flicht:
     
    Wehet der Sterne
    Heiliger Sinn
    Leis durch die Ferne
    Bis zu mir hin.
     
    Wenn des Mondes still lindernde Tränen
    Lösen die Nächte verborgenes Weh;
    Dann wehet Friede. In goldenen Kähnen
    Schiffen die Geister im himmlischen See.
     
    Glänzende Lieder
    Klingender Lauf
    Ringelt sich nieder,
    Wallet hinauf.
     
    Wenn der Mitternacht heiliges Grauen
    Bang durch die dunklen Wälder hinschleicht
    Und die Büsche gar wundersam schauen,
    Alles sich finster, tiefsinnig bezeugt:
     
    Wandelt im Dunkeln
    Freundliches Spiel,
    Still Lichter funkeln,
    Schimmerndes Ziel,
     
    Alles ist freundlich wohlwollend verbunden,
    Bietet sich tröstend und trauernd die Hand,
    Sind durch die Nächte die Lichter gewunden,
    Alles ist ewig im Innern verwandt.
     
    Sprich aus der Ferne,
    Heimliche Welt,
    Die sich so gerne
    Zu mir gesellt.

    Clemens Brentano


    Gute Nacht!
    #142AuthorMOTHER (383672) 03 May 08, 19:29
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    Mother, if someone is beyond his 30th year, we will not stop calling her young, either! Why should you not continue your studies, at your age? What was it you studied? (Please excuse me if you told me that before.)

    What I like about university is that suddenly I meet dozens of people interested in similar things as I am (they picked the same subject to study, for a start). People at school were always interested in other things, I never felt really understood there, not as much as I do now.

    What was your "vegetable surprise", Suzi? Not something self-grown out of the garden, was it?
    #143Author wi-chan (390817) 03 May 08, 21:25
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    Memories are made of this ...

    judex Nachtgesang:

    Big Bad John

    -Artist: Jimmy Dean

    Ev'ry mornin' at the mine you could see him arrive
    He stood six foot six and weighed two forty five
    Kinda broad at the shoulder and narrow at the hip
    And everybody knew ya didn't give no lip to Big John.
    (Big John, Big John) Big Bad John (Big John)

    Nobody seemed to know where John called home
    He just drifted into town and stayed all alone
    He didn't say much, kinda quiet and shy
    And if you spoke at all, you just said "Hi" to Big John.

    Somebody said he came from New Orleans
    Where he got in a fight over a Cajun Queen
    And a crashin' blow from a huge right hand
    Sent a Loosiana fellow to the Promised Land-Big John
    (Big John, Big John) Big Bad John (Big John)

    Then came the day at the bottom of the mine
    When a timber cracked and men started cryin'
    Miners were prayin' and hearts beat fast
    And everybody thought that they'd breathed their last-'cept John

    Through the dust and the smoke of this man-made hell
    Walked a giant of a man that the miners knew well
    Grabbed a saggin' timber, gave out with a groan
    And like a giant oak tree he just stood there alone-Big John
    (Big John, Big John) Big Bad John (Big John)

    And with all of his strength he gave a mighty shove
    Then a miner yelled out "There's a light up above!"
    And twenty men scrambled from a would-be grave
    Now there's only one left down there to save-Big John

    With jacks and timbers they started back down
    Then came that rumble way down in the ground
    And then smoke and gas belched out of that mine
    Everybody knew it was the end of the line for Big John
    (Big John, Big John) Big Bad John (Big John)

    Now they never reopened that worthless pit
    They just placed a marble stand in front of it
    These few words are written on that stand
    **At the bottom of this mine lies a BIG BIG man** Big John
    (Big John, Big John) Big Bad John (Big John)

    #144Author judex (239096) 03 May 08, 22:59
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    Hello folks!

    It really shows that judex and I are children of the same generation ... ;-)

    I also well remember that song (not a poem) about "Big Bad John".

    Memories, memories ...

    Good night all ...!
    #145Author Wolfman (236211) 03 May 08, 23:07
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    I just researched a bit about Big Bad John - found out that it was written in 1961 - it's just these few years between judex' and Wolfman's generation and my own - I don't know it, I was still playing in the sandpit then. :-)
    #146Author Goldammer (428405) 04 May 08, 14:37
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    oh, I didn't know the song either.

    Maybe I'm much older or younger?
    Who knows...

    :D
    #147Author Snowflake (260254) 04 May 08, 21:24
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    I guess your parents were still playing in the sandpit then... :D
    #148Author Goldammer (428405) 04 May 08, 21:37
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    So were mine, if I calculated correctly. Or just grown out of it. I was, at least, not even remotely thought of.
    #149Author wi-chan (390817) 04 May 08, 21:41
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    ;-)
    #150Author Snowflake (260254) 04 May 08, 21:51
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    Moinsen snails!

    Wolfman and Goldammer may I join the club.
    I managed to get 276 of the old songs as MP3 files on one Cd and it ist always
    in reach, lots of memories but some of them make me laugh, absolute silly lyris and some awful bands but they are memories "from way back when".
    Here a wonderful line:"Now my broken heart aches with every wave that breaks over love letters in the sand". HAHA Good old Pat Boone!
    #151Author Steve53 (329426) 05 May 08, 08:26
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    Guten Morgen Steve!! :-)
    Eine neue Woche, ein neues Spiel...neues Glück!!
    #152Author suziq (315879) 05 May 08, 09:02
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    Happy belated birthday, Lore - ich sage immer, alt werden ist doch allemal besser als die Alternative... *gg*

    Ich wollte euch aber auf was aufmerksam machen: in diesem Faden related discussion: Mr. Darcy 148 - Königlicher Geburtstagsfaden hat sich Doris (vom LEO Team) gemeldet und gesagt, dass man bei Liedern und Gedichten wegen Copyright-Rechten aufpassen muss (siehe ab # 261). Ich sage es nicht, weil ich euer Nachtgesang und sonstiges nicht geniesse, sondern nur damit wir zusammen aufpassen, dass LEO nicht in Schwierigkeiten kommt... :-)
    #153Author the kat (387522) 05 May 08, 11:35
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    Hi snails
    Belated Happy Birthday Lore!
    I hope you had a wonderful day and you are prepared for Mothers day as well (Is it your first or second? I don't quite remember)

    I didn't mind getting 30 and 40 years old, but facing the 50 in a few years seems harder to me now. It's somehow a change in generation from the (still) young parents to the soon-to-be-grand-parents.

    I was very busy the past two weeks workwise. I attended a one week seminar and I'll have to do exams on the topics in August and a lot to learn by then. After the exam there will be some more weeks spend in seminars when I cannot be at home. This presents me with some organisational difficulties since I never left the kids all alone so far and my husband will be out of town as well.
    Suziq your kids are about the same age as mine AFAIR. Do you leave them all alone yet for a whole week when they have to go to school in the morning?
    #154Authoruke (236845) 05 May 08, 14:11
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    Thank you for all your good wishes! I found out it didn't hurt to turn 30 and Saturday morning nothing (neither good nor bad) really had changed. ;-) So I'll look towards a bright new decade.

    Steve Goldammer got it right, I am moving to Berlin and I am looking forward to it! A few little annoyances won't put me off! :-)

    Uke It's the first mothers' day and I'm curious what Lorbeerchen (or rather the folks at the day care) has got for me. Daddy got a tiny plasicine car to use as a key ring and we were assured that she had tampered with some plasticine, herself :-)
    #155Author Lore (236345) 05 May 08, 14:53
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    Hi Uke! Also meine Tochter ist gerade 19 geworden und ist schon flügge aber mein Sohn mit gerade 16 lasse ich schon zu Hause -auch für ein paar Tage. Es gab aber noch keine Notwendigkeit ihn in der Schulzeit alleine zu lassen, weil es die Kleineren noch gibt und die Verantwortung würde ich ihm nicht auflasten. Wenn es aber die Notwendigkeit gäbe, dann schätze ich ihn als vernünftig genug ein...du kennst aber deine Kinder am besten, ob du sie alleine lassen könntest. Meine Tochter hätte ich nicht so ohne weiteres gelassen!! Allerdings wohnt meine beste Freundin (und Quasiersatzmutter!) nebenan - das erleichtert die Sache schon um einiges!!
    #156Author suziq (315879) 05 May 08, 17:18
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    @lore - "tampered"? Du meinst aber sicherlich, dass sie selbst gebastelt hat, oder? "To tamper" bedeutet, dass man etwas manipuliert (eventuell böswillig)...und sowas macht das Lorbeerchenkind bestimmt nicht ;-)
    #157Author suziq (315879) 05 May 08, 17:51
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    The kat, what would be the alternative to getting old? Getting younger? Live eternally? What would be nice, that one could take temporary refuge in some sort of non-aging loop, to somehow hibernate during times where nothing happens.
    #158Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 05 May 08, 21:37
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    Well Wachtelkönig, fun would be, to start it all over again having the experience (and the exams) :-)
    #159Author judex (239096) 05 May 08, 21:54
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    Ja, auf gewisse Erfahrungen könnte ich auch verzichten.

    But getting to know the world is one of the most fun parts of being young(er).
    #160Author Snowflake (260254) 05 May 08, 22:00
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    Well, Wachtelkönig, the only alternative to getting older that I know is stopping at a certain age; this alternative, however, usually implies funerals and coffins at some point or other. Given that, I think I'd opt for growing older, myself.

    So far (being under 30), I quite enjoy getting older anyway. I feel that people treat me like a "grown-up" a bit more every day.
    #161Author wi-chan (390817) 05 May 08, 22:54
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    Good morning!

    Hi suziq, yes, to have someone close-by certainly helps. I have very nice neighbors, but this wouldn't help in case the kids start fighting each other the way they sometimes do. My daughter is 19 too and my older son 16, turning 17 in December. However my youngest turns only 15 in November but I think they are old enough and have a sufficient sense of responsibility. But you never know, s**t happens.
    Last year my husband and I went with some friends on a day trip to Landau, the kids didn't want to come with us (we didn't want them to come either). Early afternoon they called and asked for a method to remove unerasable ink from the wallpaper...
    #162Authoruke (236845) 06 May 08, 07:49
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    genau wi-chan, die einzige Alternative zum Älterwerden ist jung sterben. Nein, danke... :-) (*sing* only the good die young...*weiter an die arbeit rock*)

    uke, du hast tapfere Kinder - ich glaube kaum, dass meine sich getraut hätten, mit dieser Frage anzurufen... *gg* Bist du dann die Flecken los geworden? (Mein Tipp - der Schmutzradierer von Meister Proper... *werbung aus*)
    #163Author the kat (387522) 06 May 08, 09:28
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    suziq Oops. I was thinking about something like "herummatschen" "herumspielen". How would you say this? And of course Lorbeerchen would never do something evil (although at three in the morning I might not be so sure ;-)).

    wi-chan I was so used to enjoying it when somebody thought I was older than I actually am that it came as a bit of a shock when I suddenly felt flattered by someone who thought I couldn't possibly be older than 25. ;-)
    #164Author Lore (236345) 06 May 08, 09:41
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    Well the kat, we had the impression that there had been some discussions and trials before they called. :))
    The stains are still there. Mostly the kids 'suffer' from seeing it so I don't bother to remedy the current state. It's their disaster area anyway. They know that they have to repaint the wall next time we do some renovations.
    #165Authoruke (236845) 06 May 08, 09:45
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    Moinsen snails!
    Ja ja, die lieben Kleinen suzi and uke W did not have much trouble when they where older because they started after theire school time an apprenticeship and lived in student homes.
    But one day, when they where 5 and 6, we had to buy something heavy and it was raining, so we told the kids to stay in the house and play and we will be back soon. When the big finger of the clock is on the 6 we will be back. It wasn't more thaan 30 minutes.
    Well, we had no car so we had to take the street car. Our house was in the middle of two stations. When we passed our house, our two kids where running on the street, with house shoes and apron in the rain and they where waiting for dear Mom and Dad. The most scary thing was, that the little one explained the older one how to cross a street and she was showing and was running the over street and back, all the time. First look left and then right and then go!

    Todays weather is "zum Helden zeugen" I will sit in the garden and read a book because my foot got worse. s**t!!
    It is a wonderful book, "Oblomow" written by Iwan Alexandrowitsch Gomtscharow.

    Okay. so have a nice day!
    #166Author Steve53 (329426) 06 May 08, 09:50
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    The guys name is Gontscharow
    #167Author Steve53 (329426) 06 May 08, 09:52
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    Guten Morgen!
    @Lore - Maybe das Lorbeerchenkind had been messing about/playing around with Plasticine (?) (im Vergleich zu: playing with).
    Letzte Woche beim Finanzamt musste ich angeben, wieviel Kindergeld ich für jedes Kind bekomme - da ich nur eine Summe bekomme und ich wusste, dass es eine Steigerung beim 3.oder 4.Kind gibt, entschied ich mich, diese Frage einfach in die Runde im Wartezimmer zu werfen. Das erste Gebot hieß €152. Ich dachte €153, sagte ich. €154 kam aus einer anderen Ecke...die Dame in Rot ersteigerte das erste Kind ;-) Dann sollte geklärt werden, ob man für das 3. oder 4. Kind mehr Geld bekommt. "Für das 3.Kind," hieß es...nein, nein...da geht meine Rechnung nicht auf...ich habe 4 und habe dann eine ungerade Zahl (€)...es muss für das 4.Kind sein. Die junge Mutter sagte dann, ich würde gar nicht aussehen, als ob ich vier Kinder hätte. So kann die Zeit beim Finanzamt richtig erbaulich sein!!!

    Es ist lustig, dass das Thema "Älterwerden" auch hier diskutiert wird. Gerade auf der Terrasse mit meiner Freundin haben wir die Möglichkeiten besprochen. An manchen Tagen sehen wir richtig verschrumpelt aus...mehr Wasser trinken...und dann geht es. Wir könnten mit Klämmerchen arbeiten und sie als Piercings tarnen ;-)
    #168Author suziq (315879) 06 May 08, 09:56
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    Here are two pieces of old wisdom:
    Everyone has to decide whether to be a cow or a goat.
    A blown up balloon never has wrinkles.
    #169Author judex (239096) 06 May 08, 10:23
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    suziq I think messing about was what I had in mind (at least somewhere in the back).
    Water seems to be the remedy in pretty much every case, anyway. Headache? Water! Want to lose weight? Drink much water! Feeling old? Drink water to replenish your skin. No wonder you can spend a ridiculous amount of money on different kinds of bottled water. Bubbly or not, flavoured or plain. :-)

    I have to go - have a nice day!
    #170Author Lore (236345) 06 May 08, 10:24
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    @judex - Die Weisheit der Mutter meiner Freundin in England:
    "There comes a point in life when you have to make a decision: arse or face...I went for the face!!!" ;-)
    #171Author suziq (315879) 06 May 08, 10:41
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    I quite like that. Sometimes I think not everybody decided for face at that point ...

    And I will never forget how Suzitochter was once surprised I was actually not 19 ... or was it even 16?
    #172Author wi-chan (390817) 06 May 08, 14:43
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    Hello everybody,
    time to have a quick view into the yellow boxes. ;)
    So, people turning 30 (happy belated birthday!) and others who are much older or younger.
    I won't stay much longer, today is our annual summer day. Yes, the one day per year you can take a walk just wearing a t-shirt and short pants.... I guess this means that there will be rain tomorrow.
    Ok, back to work so that I can get myself out of here soon.
    Take care!
    #173Author Wik (237414) 06 May 08, 15:22
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    @Wik: Genieße den schönen Sommertag. Nur einen bekommt ihr? Schade!

    Hier blühen die Flieder fast. Im Garten wachsen schon Spinat, Kohlrabi und Zwiebeln. Hoffentlich finden die Hasen und das Murmeltier die Pflanzen nicht. Die ersten Spargelstangen habe ich gestern geschnitten.

    #174Author Amy-MiMi (236989) 06 May 08, 17:05
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    so ich stolper auch mal wieder dazu, servus an alle!
    Älterwerden ist was, wovon ich noch nix mitbekommen habe, ich darf mit meinen stolzen 23 und den ersten (Lach)falten beim Tesco immer noch meinen Ausweis vorzeigen, weil ich die "Challenge 21" wohl noch nicht schaffe (Challenge 21: if you look like you're under 21, you have to prove you are over 18). Aber in 10 Jahren freu ich mich drüber ;-)
    #175Author neuchateloise (412016) 06 May 08, 18:11
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    @neuchateloise - aber wie weist man sich in GB aus? Es gibt keine Pflicht einen Ausweis bei sich zu tragen und wenn man keinen Führerschein hat? Was macht man dann?
    #176Author suziq (315879) 06 May 08, 18:28
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    Gute Frage, ich weise mich immer mit meinem tollen deutschen Perso aus (den manche kassierinnen schon ganz genau beäugen), aber wie es der gemeine reisepaßlose, führerscheinlose Engländer macht weiß ich auch nicht genau. Ich glaube aber, es gibt so spezielle ID cards, die nichts mit den deutschen zu tun haben (da keine ID cards in GB, offiziell) aber doch als Altersnachweis anerkannt sind.
    #177Author neuchateloise (412016) 06 May 08, 18:36
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    Amy-MiMi
    You are growing asparagus in your garden? *envy* !!
    Hier (blühen die) blüht der Flieder fast.

    I spent a lot of time today buying flowers and planting them - for the grave of my parents-in-law on the cemetery, for Mr sawehe's 92-year-old uncle and his wife the geraniums for their window sills, and for our own garden.
    And I have done a lot of "last-chance-washing" ("If you don't hand in these items, you can't take them with you for the holiday"). On Saturday we'll set out for our holiday in Greece. An uncle of mine has a house there and enjoys having guests. We are all looking forward to it, but I - as always - find the last few days before a family holiday quite stressful.
    #178Author Goldammer (428405) 06 May 08, 18:38
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    @Goldammer: Du möchtest Spargel haben? Gut, wir tauschen. Ich bekomme eine Woche in Griechenland und du darfst Spargel aus Michigan essen. *gg* Eine Reise nach Griechenland. Wie schön.
    Der Flieder blüht.
    Ich mache nächstes Jahr den Fehler mit dem Flieder nicht. Ich dachte darüber nach, bevor ich den Satz schrieb, war aber ein bisschen zu faul, mich an das Richtige zu erinnern.

    *neuchateloise und suziq wink*

    @neuchateloise: Wenn ich deinen Namen sehe, muss ich an die Käsesorte Neufchatel denken.


    #179Author Amy-MiMi (236989) 06 May 08, 20:17
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    That's funny, MiMi, to me neuchateloise always is a kind of wine. And in my head, I can literally hear Loriot ordering it in some restaurant sketch or something.
    #180Author wi-chan (390817) 06 May 08, 20:21
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    Hi, wi-chan. Ich bin Antiholikerin und kenne mich nicht aus mit Weinsorten.

    Heute war der Morgen sehr schön und ich habe im Garten gearbeitet. Ich habe Squash, Melonen und Gurken Samen ausgesät. Bald muss ich zur Uni fahren. Dieses Semester habe ich ausschließlich Seminare, die am Abend treffen. Gestern war ich in einem Englisch-Pädagogik Seminar. Der Professor hat zwanzig Jahre in einer High School Englisch gelehrt, bevor er promovierte. Man merkt sehr schnell, dass er viel Erfahrung mit dem Unterrichten hat. Das Seminar wird nicht langweilig sein und ich kenne schon 5 oder 6 meiner Mitstudenten.

    Wie macht man das mit dem -en Dingsbums, um klar zu machen, dass ich Mitstudentinnen und Mitstudenten habe?
    #181Author Amy-MiMi (236989) 06 May 08, 20:34
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    Re: Age
    Once after a nice party night, I was still a bit hung over, a women said to me: " ...and you're 12, right?" I was sixteen and I could have slapped her face :D


    Corr for Amy:
    Ich habe Squash-, Melonen- und Gurkensamen ausgesät.
    Dieses Semester habe ich ausschließlich Seminare, die am Abend stattfinden.
    Der Professor hat zwanzig Jahre in einer High School Englisch gelehrt (I'd say unterrichtet).
    Das Seminar wird nicht langweilig sein (Ich würde werden nehmen, es wird ja erst stattfinden und zwar mit dir.
    Wenn du einfach etwas über das Seminar einer Kollegin sagst ( "Ich nehme an, es ist spannend, war aber noch nie dort und werde es auch nicht besuchen in nächster Zeit"), dann ist sein geeignet.

    As a Swiss I could simply write MitstudentInnen (with a capital I). You read this as "Mitstudenten und Mitstudentinnen".
    But I have no idea whether it's allowed in Germany, too.
    #182Author Snowflake (260254) 06 May 08, 20:55
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    wußte gar nicht daß es eine Käsesorte gibt, die so ähnlich heißt wie ich :-)
    Der Name rührt von meiner Sehnsucht nach dem schönen Schweizer Städtchen Neuchatel, in dem ich das schönste Jahr meines Lebens verbrachte... *seufz*
    #183Author neuchateloise (412016) 06 May 08, 21:07
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    I don't think there is really a wine called neuchateloise. I just think it sounds like one. Maybe Neuchatel grows a wine? (Well, probably not. Famous rather for cheese than wine, Switzerland.)

    Yes, "MitstudentInnen" is allowed in Germany, and quite frequently used. I don't like it, though, but that's probably just me as someone who has, among other things, studied typography. (In case you're interested, the capital letter in the middle of a word is called Binnenmajuskel.) In Germany people often try to avoid this problem by writing "Studierende", because that term includes both genders, but is technically wrong, because a "Studierender" would be someone who is studying right now, at the moment. And it is very well possible that a student does not study 24/7, but might e. g. occasionally post in a chat room in his / her favourite forum ... ;-)

    Snowflake, I was taken for 14 once when I was 19, that was similarly insulting (I felt). But the guy making that mistake was quite drunk. And way over 40.
    #184Author wi-chan (390817) 06 May 08, 21:15
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    Re MitstudentInnen: I slightly disagree with wi-chan about the "frequently used". IMO it the "Binnen-I" (another name for it) is often used from official sides, but would then be "StudentInnen". If somebody used "MitstudentInnen" oder "KommilitonInnen" I would take him for a unionist or a queer co-student.
    If you talk about "Mitstudenten" in the very most cases I'd assume you were talking about men and women. If not, you'd have to make it clear with either context or some more words.
    I never had problems being called a "Student", though it _was_ funny to listen to a lecture where the lecturer consequently used the female form (with persons, that is, not things). - And it was funny to see how some people can get worked up. :_)
    #185Author h h (38469) 06 May 08, 21:34
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    You can say MitstudentInnen in German, but I have never got myself to use this form. Although I find gender equitable language an important issue, it has been overdone quite a lot (I think we had that discussion several times, didn't we?), and I think this construction remains quite artificial. In your case, Amy-MiMi, I would assume you were talking about male and female students.
    F5
    Ah, some other comments have appeared meanwhile.

    I disagree with another point in wi-chan's argument: If you say "Studierende", for me this doesn't imply they are studying right now at this very moment. It is a better solution than "MitstudentInnen", in any case.

    If someone was addressing me personally as a "Student", I would notice it and find it annoying. I don't like it when someone in a group of only women says "Jeder nimmt sich jetzt mal ein Blatt Papier", or things like that, but I am not all too strict about the issue, not in spoken language anyway (and forum postings, as for that matter)
    #186Author Goldammer (428405) 06 May 08, 21:50
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    wi, my knowledge of linguistics is rather limited, thérefore I'll shut up about Binnenmajuskel...stuff.... but actually Switzerland is a massive wine grower (only they don't export it). The area around Neuch is full of vineyards as are parts of Graubünden (!) and the Lavaux, a wine growing region between Lausanne and Montreux (roughly) is even a world heritage site and one where you can go for splendid walks. And if you ever meet someone from the Valais, be sure to praise their "Fendant" ;-)
    #187Author neuchateloise (412016) 06 May 08, 21:52
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    Oh, yes, trying to clarify my last posting: Like Goldammer I'd notice it and find it annoying if somebody adressed me personally as "Student", but in mixed groups I find the overusage of those said-to-be-politically-correct-but-overly-long expressions rather more annoying then simply deciding for one form (be it male or female) and sticking to it.
    #188Author h h (38469) 06 May 08, 21:59
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    Right you are, then, that the Binnenmajuskel is used mostly by bureaucrats and stuff. That still makes it quite frequent, because bureaucracy is not exactly rare in Germany. Therefore, I agree that you would probably not read "MitstudentInnen".

    But I will stick to my opinion that "Studierende" means, grammatically, only people who are studying at the moment, corresponding to the English -ing-form. It is used differently nowadays, but technically that usage is not correct (I am a bit nitpicky at that point).

    I also enjoy lectures and speeches where only the female form is used. Once I read an article about politics where this was done that consequently they just stopped short of writing "Hessens Ministerpräsidentin Roland Koch" (would have been really funny, though).
    #189Author wi-chan (390817) 06 May 08, 22:32
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    "Rolanda Köchin"
    :D
    #190Author Snowflake (260254) 06 May 08, 22:34
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    wi-chan
    I still think that the word Studierende needn't mean someone who is studying this very moment, but it can well be understood in the sense that someone has the status of being a student, i.e. an einer Uni eingeschrieben sein.
    You speak about the "arbeitende Bevölkerung", don't you, without meaning those people who are working at that very moment, but those who are employed somewhere.
    What do you say?
    (I'll see tomorrow, because I'll go to bed now and read a bit there)
    #191Author Goldammer (428405) 06 May 08, 22:43
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    Hm, now that you mention it, "arbeitende Bevölkerung", though I think I might use that, too, grammatically is not exactly correct, either. "Studierende" might be understood as meaning "students", but I think it is just unnecessary because we do have an existing word, "Studenten", which, for me, includes both male and female students. If you say "I understand Studierende that way", why not say "And I understand Studenten that way" and leave it at that? It's silly replacing one unclear, not perfecty fitting term by another that is just as unclear in a different way, that's what I mean.

    If you know Latin, you might even argue that, literally translated, "studentes" does in fact mean "Studierende", and "Studenten" is simply the "eingedeutschte" version of that, so the two words are actually the same. And to make that clear: I do not mind being called "Studierende" even while I am, say, watching TV, I just do not like people saying a "politically correct" word is "better" without thinking about it. Definitely agree it is a better solution than abusing our typography with Binnenmajuskeln.
    #192Author wi-chan (390817) 06 May 08, 22:54
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    Would like to replace "that's what I mean" by "that's what I'm trying to say" because it is a terrible Germanism, for which I apologize.
    #193Author wi-chan (390817) 06 May 08, 22:55
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    "... gas pump, afraid how much it costs today" --- this is so preposterous!
    #194Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 07 May 08, 04:41
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    ?

    Wer hat denn so was gesagt, und wo, und wieso ist es denn absurd? Weil der US-Benzinpreis immer noch sehr niedrig ist im Vergleich zur rechten Teichseite? Oder weil die Politiker den Ölpreis als Wahlkampagnewaffe ausnutzen wollen, nichts aber daran verändern können? Oder weil du findest, die Leute sollten grundsätzlich nur radfahren? (-;

    Alles Gute übrigens nachträglich an Lore zum Geburtstag und willkommen im CC nachträglich an neuchateloise. Ich dachte auch, es wird mit F geschrieben. Was oder wo ist denn Neufchatel noch einmal?
    #195Author hm -- us (236141) 07 May 08, 06:10
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    wi-chan
    Ha, a wonderful opportunity to be language-nitpicky.
    "Studierende" is better, because grammatically it includes both, male and female students (der Studierende, die Studierende), whereas Student has a separate female variation (Studentin). In this case, I find it a good solution to use inclusive language (is that a term which is in use? no idea).
    I also find it grammatically correct, because being a student doesn't mean studying every single minute of one's life. You may say "Ich studiere gerade Physik", although you may sit in the pub with somebody when you say it. It simply means that you are inscribed at a university. In my understanding, it clearly doesn't refer only to activities like "sitting in a library and reading books" or "listening to a prof's lecture".
    So, I'm sorry to say that I must insist that "Studierende" is in my opinion not unclear and not perfectly fitting 
    :-) :-)
    #196Author Goldammer (428405) 07 May 08, 06:41
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    P.S.
    *wondering about Wachtelkönig's comment too and hoping for an explanation*
    #197Author Goldammer (428405) 07 May 08, 06:43
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    That was Mrs. Clinton. Otherwise excellent speech, spoiled by even much more stupid remarks (probably she didn't write it herself anyway). I still like Obama's subliminal frustration (which didn't show much in his speech) much better than her ridiculously pretentious slogans. Pretty ridiculous anyway, to vote on speeches. Hope they don't. And of course older people should not go on bike, but rather with mass transit. Good night!
    #198Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 07 May 08, 06:55
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    Good night, Wachtelkönig! (although I still don't understand exactly what Clinton's remark was about and why it is preposterous...not enough context, as one says in Leo...)
    #199Author Goldammer (428405) 07 May 08, 07:12
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    Good morning Goldammer,

    I second your opinion about Studierende, but I find it quite ridiculous how people struggle for political correctness in speeches sometimes. It is usually spoken of Expertenmeinung not Expertinnenmeinung but I never heard men complain about die Koryphäe being a female term.
    Is this a discussion going on in US/GB as well?

    BTW Goldammer you should refer to your husband as Mr Goldammer, or your whole namechange didn't serve a purpose.

    I'm preparing for our vacation trip to Italy right now, we are leaving on Saturday morning and I'm looking forward to it!
    We had planned to go to Sardinia this time, but my sons foiled the plan: they have tickets for a concert of 'die Ärzte' and we couldn't find a ferry to be back in time. So we decided to go to Tuscany which I really like. We went there several times and visited several museums and archeological sites of the Etrusci. It always said that the main and most beautiful exhibits can be seen in the museo acheologico in Florence. Since the kids were small at that time we never went there to see it but this time it's on our agenda.

    It is as Goldammer says the time before the leave is rather stressful. I always say that: in Urlaub fahren ist Aufrechterhalten desselben Betriebs unter erschwerten Bedingungen.(Translation most welcome, I couldn't think of one) This is especially true when travelling with small children to stay in an apartment and not in a hotel.
    #200Authoruke (236845) 07 May 08, 08:38
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    @uke - "going on holiday is keeping the company going under difficult conditions" (oder so ähnlich)

    Nachdem ich gestern frei hatte, und leider erfolgreich bei leo ihn ziemlich verbummelt hatte, muss ich wieder mal "ran"! Darf ich mich hier über die Bankpolitik aufregen? Dass Sparkassen sich wie Direktbanken sich aufführen - wie Banken, die ihre Kunden nicht persönlich kennen? Schön, dass sie Computerprogramme besitzen, die ihnen sagen, ob sie einen guten Kunden oder nicht haben *ironischmein*

    So! Die Sonne scheint...mein Flieder blüht...:-)
    #201Author suziq (315879) 07 May 08, 09:29
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    Ich glaube, ich würde so sagen: business as usual, but under extreme (or difficult) conditions... Kommt mir auch immer so vor!! Und so was schimpft sich "Urlaub"... *gg*
    #202Author the kat (387522) 07 May 08, 09:57
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    ...Urlaub??? Was ist das eigentlich? ;-)
    #203Author suziq (315879) 07 May 08, 10:38
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    something other people do... ;-)
    #204Author the kat (387522) 07 May 08, 10:50
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    It's just the right time to complain: next sunday is Mothers day!
    #205Authoruke (236845) 07 May 08, 11:01
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    Good news for MOTHER, when she is around: A whole day, just for her! ;-)

    To solve the language problem: Goldammer and uke, should we just say that our sprachgefühl (is that really a word used in English? LEO says so) differs on that point? I did not want to trigger an argument, and certainly enough fuss has been made about political correctness and its terms and conditions.
    #206Author wi-chan (390817) 07 May 08, 11:08
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    wi-chan, das war doch kein Streit, oder? Wir sind doch hier, um Feinheiten der Sprache zu diskutieren, debattieren, zerpflücken, etc. Oder nicht?

    Ich habe aus einem Sprachwissenschaftskriptum lernen müssen, das so "gegendert" wurde, dass es kaum noch zu lesen war. Das kann auch nicht im Sinne des Erfinders sein, finde ich...
    #207Author the kat (387522) 07 May 08, 11:22
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    Neuchatel ist eine Stadt in der Schweiz, Hauptort des gleichnamigen Kantons, der mal eine Zeitlang zu Preußen gehörte. Es hieß früher tatsächlich mal Neufchatel, glaube ich, aber das f ist irgendwann verloren gegangen.
    #208Author neuchateloise (412016) 07 May 08, 11:43
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    No, kat, it wasn't, at least not yet. But I was afraid it might become an argument. I cannot see the discussion going anywhere except "this is my opinion, and that is yours", so I just thought we might as well come to that conclusion right away and save the effort! ;-)
    #209Author wi-chan (390817) 07 May 08, 11:47
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    @wi-chan
    I also don't see it as an argument, maybe my tone was a bit harsh, sorry for that.
    I simply enjoy these discussions immensely, and I don't see them at all as an argument between persons. I don't see that we differ a lot in our view on gender equitable language, I think we are both quite pragmatic about this topic.

    @uke
    uups,you are right about Mr Goldammer - somehow I seem to not have adopted my new identity completely yet (kat, or who ever else - is this sentence correct? Sounds a bit risky, somehow..)
    #210Author Goldammer (428405) 07 May 08, 11:47
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    Phew, and I was afraid I might have been a bit harsh in my language! Glad you did not "get that wrong", Goldammer! I also like discussing such things with people with different opinions (what's the point of talking when the other one agrees all the time?).

    I also think we are quite agreed on the fact that genderisation is exaggerated nowadays. It was really just this special use of the German gerund where we disagreed. And now please excuse me, I must leave my PC to change from a "Studentin" to a "Studierende" once again! ;-)
    #211Author wi-chan (390817) 07 May 08, 11:52
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    Goldi, der Satz ist OK, ein Spur eleganter wäre vielleicht: I don't seem to have completely adopted (or adapted to) my new identity yet. :-)
    Noch lustiger ist, dass der "Ausrutscher" mir überhaupt nicht aufgefallen ist! *gg*
    #212Author the kat (387522) 07 May 08, 12:02
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    wi-chan, in solchen Sitationen sage ich gern, "Let's just agree to disagree..." ;-)
    #213Author the kat (387522) 07 May 08, 12:04
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    When Mr Goldammer (!) and I were courting centuries ago, we once had this memorable discussion, sitting high abover Bad Urach on the Kunstmühlefelsen. We still quote that on the appropriate occasions. We were discussing how many PS (Pferdestärken)a suitable car should have, and it was quite a heated discussion. ;-)
    In the end, I seemingly said (at least that's how Mr G. quotes me): "Das müssen wir ja nicht ausdiskutieren, das können wir ja so stehen lassen!"!, and that was the end of discussion and we proceeded with our walk hand in hand...
    #214Author Goldammer (428405) 07 May 08, 12:28
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    sehr vernünftig... :-)
    #215Author the kat (387522) 07 May 08, 12:37
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    funny story Goldammer, I wonder how you 'agreed to disagree' while buying the family car...
    #216Authoruke (236845) 07 May 08, 15:43
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    @uke
    A true compromise: the PS of the family car are between his and my original figure (mine being the lower one, as you may have figured out :-) ).
    #217Author Goldammer (428405) 07 May 08, 15:59
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    Cute story, Goldammer.
    We could call you Goldie and him Goldman :D

    #218Author Snowflake (260254) 07 May 08, 16:09
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    Re: mother's day:

    It's time to forgive her.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi_Ci1HIETM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7dCzrMOC40

    "Zeit, ihr zu vergeben" (now runing on almost every Swiss channel)

    :D
    #219Author Snowflake (260254) 07 May 08, 17:13
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    Goldammer: Actually, I feel indeed tempted to call you Goldie every time. I think it sounds nice. Would you mind?

    Kat, my mother-in-law uses another saying in those occasions: "Du hast Recht, und ich hab meine Ruh'". I would of course not use that in this case, because it is used against people stubbornly insisting on their right, and Goldammer obviously is not one of those!
    I like your story, too, I think you two reacted just right. What's the use of discussing everything to death? I take it you are both quite content with the car you have, so it all turned out well in the end.

    Oh, what a mistake. The German Newspaper Museum handed out a brochure on Printing Museums all over Europe in a guest lecture yesterday. Great thing, I thought, and of course looked up if there was one in Ireland. There is, in Dublin. Only they put that down under "Great Britain". Of course I sent them an email advising them to correct that in the next edition, unless they are looking for trouble with a really mad Irish museum director.
    #220Author wi-chan (390817) 07 May 08, 17:53
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    Nachdem ich den zweiten Clip sah, musste ich an suzitochter (nicht die Minizicke) denken. Ihr Vater war der Meinung, dass ihr Pony zu lang war...ihr ahnt's...das arme Kind, das ohnehin einen Augenpflaster und dicke Brille tragen muss, musste einen zu kurz geschnittenen und schiefen Pony tragen. Zum Glück ist sie nicht so eitel aber so etwas grenzt an Körperverletzung. Die meisten Leute dachten, sie hätte ihn selbst geschnitten. Letzten Donnerstag war Vatertag...ob sie ihn auch verziehen hat?? ;-)
    #221Author suziq (315879) 07 May 08, 18:00
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    It reminded me of me when I was in elementary school. I used to chew on the ends of my hair, so that the front strands were all frayed out and chewed upon. My mother decided they had to be cut short. She took me to a hairdresser, at least, not doing it herself, but to me she was still "stealing my hair". I had such long and beautiful hair (apart from these few strands), and was so fond and proud of them! (I forgave her as soon as they had regrown. Or probably already the next day when everyone made compliments about my new look. Or something.)

    Mini-correcturitos for Suzi:
    "tragen" mit Akkusativ: ein Augenpflaster und eine dicke Brille
    "verzeihen" mit Dativ: ob sie ihm verziehen hat?

    All those cases must be difficult to learn for an English native speaker!
    #222Author wi-chan (390817) 07 May 08, 18:09
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    I wouldn't really mind being called Goldie, but I would prefer Goldammer all the same...so if you are in a big hurry and find 9 characters too much to type, it's ok, but otherwise I'd prefer my full nick. I just like it (and the bird) too much.
    #223Author Goldammer (428405) 07 May 08, 19:26
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    I like the story about the newspaper locating Dublin in Great Britain - I guess that's worse than saying Vienna is in Germany. Reminds me that IF I go to Belfast in September, I shall never call the locals "Irish"...
    #224Author neuchateloise (412016) 07 May 08, 22:21
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    Vienna is not in Germany?? Ponder!
    #225Author judex (239096) 07 May 08, 22:24
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    häh?
    #226Author neuchateloise (412016) 07 May 08, 22:47
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    Entschuldige meine Unhöflichkeit, ich bin halt aus Bayern...
    Ich wollte sagen: Wie darf ich den obenstehenden Kommentar verstehen? Der Sinn mag sich mir nicht erschließen.
    #227Author neuchateloise (412016) 07 May 08, 22:53
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    Wien, 83334 Inzell :-)
    #228Author judex (239096) 07 May 08, 22:58
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    Ich steh leider sowas von auf der Leitung, das ist nicht mehr schön.
    Hast aber schon mitbekommen, daß ich weiß, daß Wien in der Schweiz ist?
    :-P
    #229Author neuchateloise (412016) 07 May 08, 23:20
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    Goot Eefenink!
    #230Author Wolfman (236211) 07 May 08, 23:36
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    Does anyone want to download honey mustard flavored pretzels? Guaranteed fresh. Too hasty shopping trip at lunchtime (taking advantage of a non-raining period), and did not read the "honey mustard" part. They taste really miserable.
    #231Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 08 May 08, 02:51
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    Boah. Dieses Angebot ist an Großzügigkeit kaum zu überbieten. Von Charme ganz zu schweigen. Und danach darf ich wohl als 'ältere Mensch' mit öffentlichen Verkehrsmittel nach Hause fahren. Angenommen, dass ich welche auftreiben kann. [6g] Sei stille, mein pochendes Herz. [/6g]

    Regen wäre wenigstens eine nette Abwechslung, hier ist es schon seit Tagen nur bedeckt und schwül, schwül und bedeckt. Die Moskitos wächsen und gedeihen. Und ich habe es versäumt, rechtzeitig eine Spätstücksreservierung für Sonntag zu machen, um meine geliebte Mutter zu ehren, wie es sich gehört. Fürs Geschenk habe ich auch keine blendenden Ideen.

    Die Welt sieht düster aus, und zum Trost bekomme ich nur virtuelle künstliche amerikanische Honigsenfbrezeln angeboten. Bäh.

    Wo stecken denn die ganzen Westküstler? Vielleicht mögen sie künstlichen Honigsenfgeschmack. Hört sich irgendwie kalifornianisch an.




    #232Author hm -- us (236141) 08 May 08, 04:38
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    Oh, I am sorry. Of course you can download a cool bottle of Warsteiner instead of these error-in-taste pretzels. Should have become suspiciuous by the palish appearance of the things on the picture on the package. Why don't they have reasonable pretzels or salzstengel here? Not to mention more tasty things. Maybe I should ask Snowflake for some Swiss Stöckli.
    By the way, when I once complained about chips with vinegar taste someone from the West Coast admitted to like them.
    And nothing about driving one's own car. Drove almost 100.000 km with my old Polo. Or maybe even more, don't remember. More than twice as much than on bicycle. It is just so exagerrated here, average car size, parking space surface, empty parking space night illumination, and very spacious urban development (which is not so bad here), and Mrs. Clinton's cheap slogans were so incredibly ridiculous.
    #233Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 08 May 08, 05:18
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    [as much as ... and the Wartsteiner was price-reduced, most of the American beers are indeed very good]
    #234Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 08 May 08, 05:23
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    [suspicious / nothing against]

    As for the goslings ... nobody seems to know anything. Tell that the stupid geese are protected and goose hunt is illegal. But since there is no local animal that can cope with two parent geese, a snapping turtle can at most eat one within a 2-hr time period (wonder why the administrator mentioned the snapping turtle to begin with, seen one in the woods at the opposite end of town, but never here), the eight goslings must have either vanished in thin air, or there is something fishy.
    #235Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 08 May 08, 05:41
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    Moin snails!
    WOW, another wonderful, sunny day, do we deserve this? I think yes. I have already a medium size sunburn. Three days ago I heard the first Kukuck and the storks are doing
    low-level flight over our garden. And in the night we ca hear the toats.

    Yesterday a cat tried to catch my half-tame blackbird just about a meter from my foot away and she almost got him, a few feathers where flying around.

    That means WAR !!! Like every year I have to fight those cats. Make them stay away from our garden. How I do it? I fill a big water gun with ammonium cloride ( Salmiakgeist).
    After they got hit two or three times the stay away.

    I beg for pardon to all cat friends but I have to do this to protect the little birdies in our garden. They have become less and less every year. Last year we had an invasion of magpies who killed everything.

    The cats also have a bad habit, everytime my wife lossens up the soil, all the cats from the neighborhood come and poop in our garden. Igitt
    #236Author Steve53 (329426) 08 May 08, 08:06
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    my wife loosens I tink
    #237Author Steve53 (329426) 08 May 08, 08:10
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    @ hm--us"Boah. Dieses Angebot ist an Großzügigkeit kaum zu überbieten. Von Charme ganz zu schweigen. Und danach darf ich wohl als 'ältere Mensch' mit öffentlichen Verkehrsmittel nach Hause fahren. Angenommen, dass ich welche auftreiben kann. [6g] Sei stille, mein pochendes Herz. [/6g]"
    ROFL

    How about cooking something for your Mom? We (my sister and I) will traditionally make a delicious esparagus salat with patatos for my Mom.

    Little Corrections:
    - als 'älterer Mensch'
    - Die Moskitos wachsen

    Even though I am not from the West Coast I like the honeymustard-flavoured pretzels as well as vinegar-flavoured chips. But I'm strange anyway, I like root-beer and DrPepper - that sould say it all ;-).
    #238Authorbabs (31738) 08 May 08, 09:07
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    PC / female forms:
    form
    related discussion: Next Topmodel

    "Heute beim Mittagessen habe ich festgestellt, dass viele unserer Kollegen aller Altersklassen zumindest zeitweise diese Sendung verfolgen. Sie kennen die Kandidatinnen und fragen sich, wer rausfliegt. Wogegen ich kaum eine Kollegin kenne, die da hinschaltet, von mir ganz zu schweigen, die ich keine einzige von den "Deutschland sucht wasauchimmer" Sendungen je gesehen habe.
    Die Herren haben ja zumindest einen angenehmen Anblick bei den vielen hübschen Damen, wogegen natürlich unsereiner sich der eigenen Unzulänglichkeiten bewusst wird. Wer also guckt " Deutschlands neues Supermodel"?"

    Did it take you some time to realize that Irene wasn't talking about Kollegen and Kolleginnen in the first paragraph as well? I had to read it twice to understand that she was hinting at the distinction of male / female collegues. Actually she would have had to point out "männliche Kollegen" to make the sentence perfectly clear, IMHO. Isn't that a wonderful example for the needless "Binnen-I"?
    #239Authorbabs (31738) 08 May 08, 09:24
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    Guten Morgen! Danke wi-chan #222 - sie waren tatsächlich Typos...es sind die Artikel, mit denen ich immer noch Probleme habe. Ich unterrichte "Deutsch als Zweitsprache" und muss immer mit einem Duden zur Hand stehen, eher ich an der Tafel etwas Falsches schreibe. Mein "Sprachkritiker" hat aber ein Muster erkannt...soll es "das" sein, sage ich meistens "den" (ich gebe zu, ich schrieb erst "einen Muster"(!!!))Oje!
    Ich bekam gerade einen Anruf, weil ich einen Termin verbummelt habe - wie peinlich. Wir wollten eine Kulisse malen, aber zum Glück hat meine Mitmalerin nicht schon alles vorbereitet.
    Einen schönen Tag noch wünsche ich Euch :-)
    #240Author suziq (315879) 08 May 08, 09:40
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    @ babs
    I am German and live on the small island that is Great Britain and fellow Germans tend to laugh about me liking vinegar-flavoured crisps and chips with vinegar, so let us all cultivate our strange food tastes ;-)
    Btw, is ginger beer more a British or an American thing?
    Have a nice day everyone!
    #241Author neuchateloise (412016) 08 May 08, 10:52
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    @neuchateloise - Ich hätte gesagt, dass Ginger Beer eher Englisch wäre, aber ist es überhaupt so populär? Hat es vielleicht ein Comeback gemacht? In den alten Kindergeschichten à la Enid Blyton oder so haben sie Ginger Beer getrunken. Ingwer wird recht viel in GB benutzt: Gingernuts, Moist orange ginger cake *sabber*
    #242Author suziq (315879) 08 May 08, 16:34
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    Ginger Beer ist was Wunderbares...
    Aus Enid Blyton sind mir weniger Ginger Beer, als deren Verpflegung mit Brot, Tomaten und Schinken in Erinnerung, diese Kinder waren irgendwie immer am Essen :-)
    #243Author neuchateloise (412016) 08 May 08, 16:51
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    *reinsaus*

    Hier darf ich mich heute nicht verweilen, denn ich muss sieben Kapitel eines Buches lesen. *gähn* Invitation to Public Speaking. *wieder gähn*

    Wollte nur schnell sagen, dass die Diskussion zum Wort MitstudentInnen mich sehr interessiert. Dafür habe ich echt kein Sprachgefühl, da ich nicht im deutschsprachigen Raum lebe.

    Beware the false friend! konsequent =/ (that slash is supposed to be through the equals sign, I don't know how to get it here) consequently

    Beispiel: though it _was_ funny to listen to a lecture where the lecturer consequently used the female form.
    It was funny to listen to a lecture where the lecturer consistently used the female form.

    *in die Runde wink*

    *raus schleim*
    #244Author Amy-MiMi (236989) 08 May 08, 16:58
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    @Amy-MiMi
    nur ein klitzekleines Korrektürli:
    Hier darf ich heute nicht verweilen (kein "mich")

    (Has anyone seen Awisala lately? She seems to be a real rare guest here!)
    #245Author Goldammer (428405) 08 May 08, 18:36
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    Nope, haven't seen her for a while.

    I'm feeling with you, Amy. I've got to read a "lovely" book, too.
    Unfortunately I don't really get the deeper sense of it.
    I guess, I would, but I'm really not interested in that book.
    so Goggle's my very best friend with summary, character analysis, themes and motifs ;-)
    #246Author Snowflake (260254) 08 May 08, 20:57
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    Noch kein neues Häuschen?? Heute ging mein Sohn mit mir zu einer Vernissage! Tja, er entwickelt einen Sinn für Kultur vielleicht? Es mag sein aber sein Hauptbeweggrund war: "Gibt es dort was umsonst?" Ich erklärte, dass es Brezeln und Saft etc gäbe. "Gut, ich komme mit...wir haben nichts mehr zu trinken!" Ich muss aber dazu sagen, dass wir am Supermarkt vorbei fahren mussten, und er hätte sich durchaus etwas kaufen können, aber ich freute mich trotzdem, dass er mitging. Seine Kommentare: "Die Bilder der Frau finde ich total primitiv." hätte er etwas leiser sagen können aber wenn er recht hat, hat er recht!
    #247Author suziq (315879) 09 May 08, 00:29
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    Hi girls! This is just to let you know "old Wolfman" is still around.

    Have a good weekend! See you again soon!
    #248Author Wolfman (236211) 09 May 08, 00:39
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    Moin snails

    @suzi your son is a smart guy, he proved that art must not be a "Brotlose Kunst".
    And even if there is no bread, at least are there Brezels and something to drink.

    #249Author Steve53 (329426) 09 May 08, 08:20
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    @Steve: :-)...das erzähle ich ihm...es wird ihm gefallen! Er ist im Moment ganz anhänglich und witzig...er schreibt diesen Zustand der plötzlichen Hitze zu!
    #250Author suziq (315879) 09 May 08, 14:09
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    May I permit myself a tiny correction, suzi, vielleicht entwickelt er einen Sinn für Kultur? (vielleicht can't go at the end, no idea why though)
    :-)

    For the 6th day in a row, we are treated to lovely sunshine, unfortunately this is seen by some of the first years here as an excuse to play very bad music very loudly. They have nothing to do, whereas we 4th years need to revise like mad :-(
    Hope wherever you are, all of you, you get some sunshine too (and actually get go enjoy it!)
    #251Author neuchateloise (412016) 09 May 08, 14:16
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    Moin snails!

    Low snail activity. Everybody seems to enjoy the wonderful weather.
    I have to be careful, I already have sunburn.
    So I will spend the day sitting and reading in the shade of my birch tree, that gave me the wonderful birch water some weeks ago.
    My friend brought me a lot of Riussan novels, Turgenew, Gogol and Tschechow.
    He has been Russian teacher foor 45 years.
    Tomorrow is big fleamarket in Brandenburg City.
    Last Saturday I got a stepper for 5€. I did not think that stepping can be so exhausting.
    #252Author Steve53 (329426) 10 May 08, 08:30
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    *tiggering'round*
    Steve53, I presume it is the best way to read Tchekhov (however they spell him in English) under a birch tree and on such a lovely summer day. Birch will give you the right feeling for the numerous Russian summer parties! (Do you own some sort of a datcha? :-))
    #253Author tigger (236106) 10 May 08, 17:33
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    No tigger I don't have a datscha but a big garden with lots of big trees.
    But you are right, birch would be the best. I'll drink some tchaj (tea) and skip the vodka! (o:
    #254Author Steve53 (329426) 10 May 08, 20:28
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    *sliming through*

    I'm watching 1984 in English and occasionally, I check Leo, If I don't understand the vocabulary.

    It was a rather beautiful day, now it looks like there was a a thunderstorm on its way.
    #255Author Snowflake (260254) 11 May 08, 16:33
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    Hallo. Man schreibt es Chekhov auf Englisch und entweder dacha oder (laut LEO) datcha, obwohl Letzteres mir ungewohnt vorkommt.

    Wer ist so lieb und bastelt? Das Laden der Seite dauert für mich als Einwählleitung-Userin unendlich lang.

    Heute kommen meine Schwägerin und Schwiegereltern zum Muttertag, also stehe ich gerade mitten im Kochstress. Der Käsekuche ist im Ofen und ich trinke schnell eine Tasse Tee, aber ich bastele so langsam, mir reicht die Zeit momentan nicht.

    *freundlich lächel*
    #256Author Amy-MiMi (236989) 11 May 08, 17:54
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    Miserable weather over here. Raining and cold. But I don't like very much starting threads, since I always become a Wachtelköni in the overview.
    #257Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 11 May 08, 18:42
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