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    Crossover Chat 192

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    This is not just another chat room. We're here to improve our language skills, German or English, and to encourage a spirit of community. Everyone is welcome who shares those aims.

    In the immortal words of our founder, odondon irl:
    «ein Faden, in dem Deutschsprechende auf Englisch und Englischsprechende auf Deutsch schreiben können, um zu üben, um Korrekturen zu ergattern, um des Spaßes Willen.»

    We come from here:

    Siehe auch: Crossover Chat 191

    Snails who contributed to the last CC (in order of their appearance):
    kisan, neutrino, Flo_123, hm--us, bluesky, Goldammer, candice, Wachtelkönig, Snowflake, Sarti_LU, SD3, Norbert Juffa, Lore, Amy-MiMi, hexlein, atalante, suziq, wi-chan, uke, skye, a(us), novemberEuel, Chaja, Steve53, wrdlbrmpfd

    Highlights (written while listening to the Christmas Oratorio):

    More suggestions concerning Wachtelkönig's nine-year-old present recipient and candice's briefcase are made

    Flo_123 has a date!!

    Goldammer reports on static problems in the community center after last week's tearing down of a wall...

    Snowflake keeps Sarti_LU company during his night shift because she suddenly realized she had to hand in a paper the next morning and hasn't written it yet...

    We learn what a Pfadschlitten is

    We also learn that Californians start panicking about wintry weather conditions when it gets colder than 32°F (0°C)

    We learn that Mr MiMi (but not Amy-MiMi) is a weather wimp.

    atalante is writing invoices and finding that quite satisfying.

    suziq and candice have holidays. Congratulations!

    Other pitiable snails aren't having holidays yet.

    Candice finally decided on a briefcase.

    The job descriptions of German notaries are discussed.

    kisan and atalante become twin sisters with about 20 years age difference.

    Several snails exchange a lot of book recommendations - I won't list them!!!!!

    Once again (and helpful as always): the rules for the use of simple past and present perfect are discussed at some length and with many examples, among them "writing of Christmas cards"

    candice's predilection sentence has been discussed long enough to establish the word in everybody's active vocabulary.

    A snowstorm is keeping Amy-MiMi from driving to Iowa.

    Goldammer has got mail from the couple whose balloon competition card she had deciphered and sent back some weeks ago.

    candice goes spinning (aber spinnen tut sie deswegen noch lange nicht! :-D )

    Snowflake has holidays, too!!!!

    Amy-MiMi feels irritated by snowmobiles passing through her garden and Wachtelkönig suggests building a trap for them in the form of a "garden pond under construction". He assures us that they couldn't get drowned, just a bit frightened...and he is on the go to a warmer realm.

    (My old problem. I can't be kurz und knapp. I'll have to shorten this a bit from now on...)

    Candice shares a family problem and gets support.

    Several snails report on their "state of affairs" concerning X-mas presents.

    We learn that MTBR is the Mount To Be Read (of books)

    hm--us is caught smuggling "happy ending" into a sentence because her keyboard refuses to type Happy End.

    neutrino uses a funny Erikativ:
    *lightingallfourcandlesoftheadventwreath*

    Steve53 is reading bee books.

    Happy Chanukka!!

    A bagel is a "ringförmiges Brötchen" - who would have thought that???

    *wiping the sweat of my forehead*
    *refusing to proofread all that crap*
    *sending it off as it is*

    Have fun, snails!!
    Author Goldammer (428405) 21 Dec 08, 22:49
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    Rats.
    Kobiepeischting doesn't copy links and bold parts.

    We come from here:

    related discussion: Crossover Chat 191

    neutrinos Erikativ was meant to look like that:

    *lightingallfourcandlesoftheadventwreath*


    #1Author Goldammer (428405) 21 Dec 08, 22:58
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    Ausgezeichnete Hochlichter, Goldammer. From one pitiable snail to another - herzlichen Dank fürs Basteln.
    #2Author SD3 (451227) 21 Dec 08, 22:58
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    Hallo :-D
    #3Author suziq (315879) 21 Dec 08, 22:59
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    Hallo suziq, hast du es die Treppe hinaufgeschafft?
    #4Author SD3 (451227) 21 Dec 08, 23:01
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    *slimingcarefullythrough*
    *sigh*

    No usueful music programme on my laptop... where's wrdl?
    #5Author Snowflake (260254) 21 Dec 08, 23:01
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    Vielen Dank Goldammer...ich musste erstmal alles lesen, bevor ich mich bedanke ;-) Schön gemacht!
    #6Author suziq (315879) 21 Dec 08, 23:02
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    @SD3 - Nee...das Ziel ist zu mir gekommen ;-)
    #7Author suziq (315879) 21 Dec 08, 23:05
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    @Flöckli - hier ist er :-) ...er kann aber nicht frei sprechen, weil ich eingeloggt bin...er liest aber mit!
    #8Author suziq (315879) 21 Dec 08, 23:08
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    Hi ya'll. About time I stop by, missed you already.

    Hope ya'll doing great.
    #9Author Rex (236185) 21 Dec 08, 23:09
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    #7: Aha!
    #10Author SD3 (451227) 21 Dec 08, 23:10
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    @wrdl

    Can you name me a good programme to rip CD's (NOT windows media player, not Itunes), someting like music match jukebox, which unfortunately stopped existing?
    #11Author Snowflake (260254) 21 Dec 08, 23:12
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    Hallo Rex! (bsst! y'all)
    Hast du nicht vor, über Weihnachten wegzufahren?
    #12Author SD3 (451227) 21 Dec 08, 23:13
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    Hello! Thanks for the construction work, Goldammer!
    Here it is getting more and more miserable. Only 2°F (-17°C) and terrible eastern wind. Almost did not make it to the supermarket (getting back was much less uncomfortable). Tonight it is supposed to become blustery with blustery with a low of -1°F.
    #13Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 21 Dec 08, 23:18
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    Hi Rex - lange nicht gelesen!

    @Flöckli - http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=WOdjCb4LwQY
    (er kennt sich mit solchen Sachen nicht aus)
    #14Author suziq (315879) 21 Dec 08, 23:21
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    @#8: What's going on between suziq and wrdlbrmpft?
    #15Author bluesky (236159) 21 Dec 08, 23:25
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    @wrdl
    Thank you.
    BTW that youtube link reminds me of the fact that my firefox denys showing me youtube movies... *sigh* another problem to fix...
    #16Author Snowflake (260254) 21 Dec 08, 23:27
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    #17Author suziq (315879) 21 Dec 08, 23:35
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    Hi SD3, hi suziq

    I shall not forget "y'all" ... lol

    No, we're staying at home. My in-laws are going to visit us. I'm actually looking forward to that.
    #18Author Rex (236185) 21 Dec 08, 23:40
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    Tea, anybody?

    (Ir'd be without shot, for those who don't like it. I've already had sex on the beach, think that's enough for a Sunday. hmm, seems like I'm getting old;-))

    I could also offer a "Bad Dog".
    #19Author Snowflake (260254) 22 Dec 08, 00:11
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    Snowy! I think you should have capitalized that.
    #20Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 22 Dec 08, 00:17
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    Snowy! I think you should have capitalized that. LOL
    #21Author SD3 (451227) 22 Dec 08, 00:21
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    *smilinginnocently*
    What?
    #22Author Snowflake (260254) 22 Dec 08, 00:21
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    Abgesehen davon... hast du nicht Nero Burning für die CDs?
    #23Author SD3 (451227) 22 Dec 08, 00:28
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    @ Goldammer,
    Thanks for the new home & Hochlichter.

    Who wants snow? I'm like Wachtelkönig, I hate the white stuff.

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/393116_st...

    @ all, *Merry Christmas* *Season's Greetings*

    Bye **wink*
    #24Authora (us)22 Dec 08, 00:36
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    hmm, I think I once had that one... but that's a looong time ago.

    I used to have musicmatch jukebox, until I ruined that programme somehow (like I once ruined my spybot, I really can't explain what kind of special talents you need to ruin a programme...).
    Afterwards all I had for quite a while was realplayer, itunes, windows-media and another one. But those stupid things all got some bugs or don't really work...
    E.g Windows media player saves all songs as track_xy. You can, of xurse rename it on your computer, but, as soon as it's on the player, it will appear track_17 instead of White Flag.
    #25Author Snowflake (260254) 22 Dec 08, 00:40
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    I'll try to fix it tomorrow, maybe, I'll see.
    Byebye snails!
    #26Author Snowflake (260254) 22 Dec 08, 01:14
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    *waving-little-a*

    Now it's around 0°F (-18°C). For Tuesday and Wednesday they annouce more w. cr.
    #27Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 22 Dec 08, 03:13
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    @24 Me! I'll take all the leftover snow (even though my neighbors probably will not like it).
    #28Authorhexlein (248326) 22 Dec 08, 05:22
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    Hi, hexlein! Would you like to download also some cold to prevent the downloaded snow from melting? You could easily get up to 30 K. (your cookies were really very good and I am very sorry that I did not manage to return a tiny package or at least a Christmas card or something similar, hopefully next year ...)
    #29Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 22 Dec 08, 05:36
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    I am very glad that you liked my cookies. I did not expect anything in return (and you returned me a "thank you", anyway, which is maybe the only thing I'd expect). Please do not think that need to return something.

    I'll download some of the cold, too - I would not want the snow to melt right away. I really hope it works.
    #30Authorhexlein (248326) 22 Dec 08, 05:46
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    oh, and I nearly forgot - many thanks to Goldammer for providing us with such a lovely new snailhouse
    #31Authorhexlein (248326) 22 Dec 08, 05:50
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    ... still around 0°F outside. Fortunately Goldammer's snailhouse is cosy and warm.
    Strange feeling, looking forward to disappear, balanced by worries that disappearance might be hindered by inclement weather or otherwise bad circumstances.
    #32Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 22 Dec 08, 06:17
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    [looking forward to disappearing]
    #33Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 22 Dec 08, 06:21
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    I wish you the best circumstances possible.
    #34Authorhexlein (248326) 22 Dec 08, 06:34
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    At the moment I'm tidying up; otherwise I could answer more often. I just look in here, when I am passing my desk.
    As soon as I will have finished the tidying, I will have to clean the rabbits cage, so I will much less pass my desk.
    #35Authorhexlein (248326) 22 Dec 08, 06:37
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    Hi all!
    Leftpondish night shift still there?
    In spite of school holidays, I have to be up to support my member of the workforce who has to work until Christmas Eve midday, poor thing...and poor me...

    *crossing my fingers for Wachtelkönig's departure into the warmth*

    I'd quite like some snow for Christmas, but not such a cold, I must say!!
    #36Author Goldammer (428405) 22 Dec 08, 06:42
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    Thanks, hexlein and Goldammer! Now I will creep for the third night into my new sleeping bag. Otherwise it would become either too cold or the furnace would wake me up in about three hours.
    #37Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 22 Dec 08, 07:04
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    Having finished all my chores, I'm about to creep in my bed.
    I would like the cold, too. There is nothing better than real good cold weather with a lot of snow (and a mountain to ski on - so it should at least be warm enough for the ski lifts to run)
    #38Authorhexlein (248326) 22 Dec 08, 08:26
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    @Goldammer: No, I'm not one of the regular lurkers of the Crossover threads (or at least I haven't been one until now - maybe I start lurking around a bit if I have the time :o). I just so happened that the Crossover Chat was topping the list when I had a moment to spare and was looking for a bit of distraction from work so I peeked in and the discussion about the weather in California caught my eye (will be there soon).
    #39Author skye (236351) 22 Dec 08, 13:13
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    Hallo skye - hier war es ein bisschen ruhig heute :-(
    #40Author suziq (315879) 22 Dec 08, 13:21
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    @suziq: that's because after weeks of barely having anything to do I'm currently drowning in work with one colleague on holidays and the second one off sick - and of course, me alone with three people's work...
    #41Author Chaja (236098) 22 Dec 08, 13:24
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    *chajabedauer*
    *schlechtesgewissenbekomm*
    #42Author suziq (315879) 22 Dec 08, 13:26
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    Don't waste your time suziq! .. You have to do something .. Don't you?
    Go on and paint. We need some color on the walls. :o)

    #43Author la.ktho (236390) 22 Dec 08, 13:38
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    Hello skye! Long time no read!

    *feeling sorry for Chaja too*

    My head doesn't work today because of five hours of baby entertainment programme I had to do when I should have been asleep.
    #44Author Lore (236345) 22 Dec 08, 13:39
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    lalaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! :-D
    #45Author Lore (236345) 22 Dec 08, 13:39
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    Hi Lore!

    Ach das Schätzchen le ist ja auch da :-D...natürlich habe ich zu tun. (Die Ausbesserungen habe ich immer noch nicht gemacht ;-)) aber eigentlich gibt es andere Dinge, die ich tun könnte (aber es ist so schön ruhig hier).
    #46Author suziq (315879) 22 Dec 08, 13:45
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    !aloha Lore .. nice to see you. What a wonderful Bärliner.
    How are you .. both?;) .. Is the little one sleeping or did you managed to type your postings while hunting her?

    SuziQ: Now that we are almost done with it all .. i recognized that there are a lot of empty walls and lots of whitespace to place ..things.. on it:)

    How far is the boarding party scheduled .. do you get Mr. W for Xmas or still have to wait some days?
    #47Author la.ktho (236390) 22 Dec 08, 13:51
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    Hi suziq! It seems you just got yourself a job artistically painting lalas walls ;-)

    Lala I got some nice girls to hunt Lorbeerchen - along with 16 other kids of her age. It's called child daycare. It's because I plan on getting rid of all professional Freiburg bonds anytime soon.
    #48Author Lore (236345) 22 Dec 08, 13:56
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    Du sprichst in Rätseln - aber das ist nichts Neues ;-)...schalt mal das grüne Blümchen an :-)
    #49Author suziq (315879) 22 Dec 08, 13:57
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    Oh SuziQ: You will have to wait for your flower. I'm working currently so there are no flowers in our company. But maybe when I'm home I will take a look at my flower.

    Was wondering if you sent me a book. The parcel departed in Flörsheim ..
    But I guess someone from the Holy-Book-Thread threated my with that.

    Doing ..Things.. now.
    #50Author la.ktho (236390) 22 Dec 08, 14:16
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    *yawn*

    Morgäääään!

    *streck*
    *reck*


    Seems like I'm surounded by early birds...
    #51Author Snowflake (260254) 22 Dec 08, 15:11
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    @Flöckeli - "early birds" *g* -

    @le - Nein, ich habe dir nichts geschickt...wäre sowieso nicht möglich gewesen, da ich keine Adresse von dir habe :-)
    #52Author suziq (315879) 22 Dec 08, 15:51
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    ...you're not a true student until you have sleept as much as 22 or as little as 2 h of 24h....
    :D
    #53Author Snowflake (260254) 22 Dec 08, 17:31
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    @Flöckeli - stimmt...und ich werde das wohl nie machen :-P - aber ich habe es ca. 36 Stunden ohne Schlaf ausgehalten.
    *endlichinerledigungsstimmungsei*
    #54Author suziq (315879) 22 Dec 08, 17:33
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    ah, well, there are thousand other things to do to poove that you're a true student.


    You're Not A True Student Until...

    1. You have eaten more than 2 take-aways in a week

    2. You have drank so much that you and your housemates have to sit down and piece together each others nights

    3. You have slept in more than 3 different places in one week, including your flats kitchen or corridor floor

    4. You live mostly on economy foods

    5. You have discovered power naps

    6. You spend your time on facebook, myspace, reading fanfiction or msn instead of doing your work.

    7. Your cleaners have warned you about the state of your kitchen (only applies to 1st years)

    8. You have had at least one water/food fight since your first week at uni

    9. You have eaten rice, a bowl of tinned food or left over takeaway for breakfast because you have ran out of milk and bread

    10. You have named inanimate objects and they are now mascots for your flat

    11. You have missed at least 1 lecture due to a hangover or some sort of university spread illness

    12. You have wanted or had a kitchen sleepover with your housemates

    13. You have a movie night one a week, usually in the flat mates room with the biggest tv

    14. Walking is your favourite form of exercise and usually the only one you get regularly

    15. You have resorted to playing your childhood games on a weekend when you are bored. E.g's Tag, Hide + Seek and Sleeping Lions

    16. You have no bread in your house for days, you have no money to buy it, then 3 people buy it at once DOH

    17. You stay up until gone midnight every night, either in your flat or out with mates

    18. You own a UNI Hoodie

    19. You know the number off by heart for at least one take away place in your area

    20. You join lots of pointless clubs and societies and only have time to go 25% of the time

    21. You have had a trolley in your flat, either helping you carry your shopping inside or by means of an entertainment purpose

    22. You cannot wait until the next cheap drinks night at the local pub or bar

    23. You spent your loan on booze, food and silly things which you have no reason to buy.

    24. You Have Sword Fights! You Have Bubble Fights!

    25. You have been locked out of your flat and had to get the security guard to come and let you back in OR knock for ages until your housemates here you

    26. You have been looking for your keys everywhere and find them either in your pocket or on your bed

    27. You have played with random objects you find such as cones and trolleys and boxes

    28. You have had your photograph taken by your representative at your union nights out :P and its posted on the web

    29. You have moaned about lectures

    30. You have slept as little as 2 hours out of 24 and as much as 22 hours out of 24

    31. You have handcuffed somebody in your house, or been handcuffed and humiliated yourself

    32. You have pulled an all nighter getting your work done for a deadline the next morning

    33. You've been on stage at your local union! drunk or sober!

    34. You have wanted to return home and within 24 hours of being there wish you were back in your student life

    :D

    Welcome to university, Suziq!
    #55Author Snowflake (260254) 22 Dec 08, 17:45
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    Re #26: Flocke, kannst du bitte in deine Tasche oder unter das Bett schauen? Ich suche immer noch meinen Autoschlüssel.
    Re #18: Hast du tatsächlich ein Hoodie von der University of Northern Iowa (UNI)? *erstaunt sei*
    Re #53: Das habe ich (leider) letztes Semester gemacht. Es freut mich, dass ich die "Snowflake Seal of Approval" habe und mich weiter echte Studentin nennen darf.

    *la.ktho freundlich grüß* Schön, dass du da bist.

    @Steve: Falls du da bist, ich habe die Malinda-Puppe meiner Mutter gezeigt, und sie ist sich sicher, dass meine kleine Nichte sich darüber freuen wird.

    @Lore: Du schreibst lalaesque Sätze. Lorbeerchen wird gejagt? Ist das Beerchen gefährlich?

    *in die Runde wink*

    @Wachtelkönig: Ich hoffe, dass deine Reise ohne Schwierigkeiten abläuft. Unsere Fahrt war gar nicht so toll. In einem Restaurant in Iowa hat eine nette Kellnerin uns gesehen und aus unseren verstörten (bitte mit haggard und nicht deranged übersetzen) Gesichtern gelesen, dass wir über das schlechte Service aufregten. *6-Gang* Das ist Iowa für dich. Wir waren so k.o., weil das Wetter und die Straßen so schlecht waren und wir schon 8 Stunden unterwegs waren und es uns gerade klar geworden war, dass wir die ganze Fahrt nicht schaffen würden bzw. versuchen sollten. Wir haben in einem Hotel übernachtet und waren froh, nicht mehr fahren zu müssen. Herr MiMi sagte mir, "Das ist die bisher schlechteste Fahrt nach Iowa." Ich habe nichts gesagt, denn ich kann mich an gefährlichere Fahrten erinnern, aber es stimmt, dass die Fahrt ab Chicago echt keinen Spaß gemacht hatte.
    #56Author Amy-MiMi (236989) 22 Dec 08, 18:21
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    @Flöckeli - naja...bei einigen Sachen bin ich schon vor 20+ Jahren in die Vorleistung gegangen ;-)
    #57Author suziq (315879) 22 Dec 08, 19:42
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    @amy
    Hmmm,I only found the khol I was looking for in my bag and glue in my bed.
    I'd recommend looking under your own bed and in your own bags;-)
    Or in your shoes. What about your kitchen? The room closest to the entrance?

    @sue
    Good girl. You'll be a great student:D
    #58Author Snowflake (260254) 22 Dec 08, 20:32
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    @Amy-MiMi
    I'm glad to hear you made it to Iowa eventually, even if it took you two days. I was slightly worried.

    (Is eventually correct here? Ages ago wpr explained the difference between finally and eventually to me, and I remember that eventually often has a quality of uncertainty - this would mean it is wrong in my sentence above. But it somehow "felt" right. What do you say?)
    #59Author Goldammer (428405) 22 Dec 08, 20:52
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    Amy I was trying to adapt to the person I was talking to ;-D

    Have a great and merry Christmas, snails! The Lore family will be on the road the most part of tomorrow and while on holiday I'll probably only very rarely switch on the computer.
    #60Author Lore (236345) 22 Dec 08, 21:20
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    @Lore: Aha. Ich verstehe.

    @Goldammer: Meiner Meinung nach geht Beides. Wenn man "finally" sagt, betont man die Zeit die vergangen ist, seitdem ich das letzte Mal in Iowa war. Wenn man "eventually" sagt, betont man die Länge oder Verwicklungen der Fahrt.

    I hadn't visited my parents in over three years. When I finally got to Iowa again, everything seemed different.

    The trip normally takes ten hours. On Saturday the weather didn't cooperate. Because the highway was covered with snow, traffic was moving at only 25 m.p.h. Having driven past several accidents, we decided to spend the night in Davenport. The next morning we drove in blowing snow and temperatures below O F, but the roads were clear. We eventually got to our destination and were happy to arrive safely.
    #61Author Amy-MiMi (236989) 22 Dec 08, 22:39
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    @Amy-MiMi aha.
    Since I wanted to stress the hazards you met on your way, "eventually" was right after all.
    #62Author Goldammer (428405) 22 Dec 08, 23:15
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    hmmm, I just fought for something and my parents are now completely pissed off because I'm not giving in (though I think that's rather MY turn to be pissed off, I just hate it when they do things concerning me behind my very back) I could, of course, give in and knot it to some special warranties, that'd make both of us halfway happy.

    *grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr*

    Do you think they also learn their lesson when I give in under my special conditions?
    I don't want to do them things behind my back EVER again. This sucks so much!
    #63Author Snowflake (260254) 22 Dec 08, 23:22
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    Hi Snowy! Did they book for you a holiday on Ibiza instead fo a North Sea island?

    The current weather really sucks. Especially when moving from west to east. 13°F
    (-11°C) and miserable wind. And they announce more freezing rain and snow the next two days. My flight day seems to be fine, but what if the plane doesn't make it here the evening before?
    #64Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 22 Dec 08, 23:42
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    Sorry, keep confusing this for some reason: moving from east to west.
    #65Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 22 Dec 08, 23:43
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    Darf ich auch meckern? Heute früh hatten wir hier 14 Grad FAHRENHEIT! Fast so kalt wie bei dir, Wachtelkönig. Mein Auto ist nicht angesprungen, obwohl es in der Garage stand. Ich musste auf ein zweites, mir überhaupt nicht sympatisches Auto umsteigen. Ich war kaum eine halbe Stunde im Geschäft, als ich die Nachricht bekam, dass mein Sohn auf dem Eis ausgerutscht ist und sich im Krankenhaus behandeln lassen muss. Es handelt sich anscheinend schon wieder um einen Handgelenkbruch.

    Ibiza hört sich übrigens im Moment gut an. Immer daran denken, Snowflake: Die Eltern meinen es meistens gut, auch wenn sie manchmal ganz unmöglich handeln (das hat irgendwas mit dem Alter zu tun).
    #66Author SD3 (451227) 23 Dec 08, 00:00
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    Hi folks!
    #67Author Wolfman (236211) 23 Dec 08, 00:20
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    Hi folks!
    #68Author Wolfman (236211) 23 Dec 08, 00:20
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    Well, they mean it good with themselves, SD3.
    *grr*

    I just don't want them ever to do it again, really.
    I want them to get this. It's btw not the first time.
    hmmm, what could I require to teach them?


    @wachtelkönig
    Nope. They have decided on going on holidays and having me doing the house and shepherding its inhabitants, without even asking me BEFORE they booked it. They "asked" me afterwards, but it's very colliding with my holidays.
    Great, isn't it?

    What makes me angry, is not that it's colliding with my holidays, it's that they didn't even bother asking me and them "ask" me hypocriticaly afterwards.
    #69Author Snowflake (260254) 23 Dec 08, 00:22
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    Long time no see, wolf
    #70Author Snowflake (260254) 23 Dec 08, 00:23
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    Hi folks!

    You're all ok? Calm down, Snowie! Once you're earning your own money your parents will definitely show more respect towards you. At this time, I reckon, they're still eager to find the best ways for you. Just be patient - talk it over with your parents and show them that you're a person who is capable of living her own life. Please, bear in mind that they only want to make sure that everything goes well for you in future ...
    #71Author Wolfman (236211) 23 Dec 08, 00:26
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    Well, re #69: There seems to be a genuine communication problem.
    #72Author Wolfman (236211) 23 Dec 08, 00:29
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    There seems to be a genuine communication problem.
    Seems like they don't care anyway...

    And the best way for ME is shepherding the house while they're away? That's nothing to do with my good but with theirs.
    #73Author Snowflake (260254) 23 Dec 08, 00:38
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    Hallo Wolfman! Geht's dir gut.

    Snowflake: Deine Eltern haben sich wohl noch nicht daran gewöhnt, dass du inzwischen ein unabhängigeres Leben führen willst und eher gleichberechtigt an solchen Entscheidungen teilnehmen willst. Das kommt aber noch, zumal du ganz sachlich mit ihnen darüber redest.
    #74Author SD3 (451227) 23 Dec 08, 00:40
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    @SD3: Thanks for asking - yes, I'm as great as can be! Hope you're as well ...

    However, I'm on my way out now.

    Seeing as we're getting close to the Festive Season - Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all - again!
    #75Author Wolfman (236211) 23 Dec 08, 00:47
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    SD3, das mit deinem Sohn tut mir leid. Es tut fast weh, nur darüber zu hören. Wohnt er denn bei euch in der Nähe?

    Snowflake, in Prinzip hättest du recht, wenn du schon komplett unabhängig von ihnen wärst. Aber solange du unter ihrem Dach wohnst (ohne Miete zu zahlen, nehm ich mal an), ihr Essen isst, ihren Noilly Prat großzügig auf dein Pasta oder was auch immer gießt (und ihn respektlos Nolly-Pratt nennst *g*), sie womöglich um 4 Uhr morgens weckst, wenn du mal spät zurück von einer Party kommst, usw., denke ich, du kannst diesmal auch auf sie ein bisschen Rücksicht nehmen.

    Wie wär's, wenn du auf die Frühlingsferien (gibt es so was überhaupt?) zielen würdest? Gib ihnen früh Bescheid, dass du wegfahren willst, mach inzwischen freiwillig ein bisschen Wäsche, Aufräumen, Putzen usw., koch mal Frühstück für sie an einem langen Wochenende, bla bla bla -- und dann mal sehen, ob sie das nächste Mal etwas offener zu deinen Wünschen sind.

    Sorry, sorry -- nicht, dass ich nicht mit dir mitfühle, in deiner Stelle wäre ich auch wohl auch etwas sauer. Aber ich kann mir auch irgendwie ihre Seite vorstellen.

    Hallo Wolfman, oder gute Nacht, und fröhliche Weihnachten schon mal. (-:
    #76Author hm -- us (236141) 23 Dec 08, 01:04
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    @SD3

    I don't know. See, teaching them by hurting them in a way is not something I do with great joy, you know, it's not easy for me to quarrel with those I actually love.
    But I've somehow learnt that this is the most effective way.

    See, few months after I became 18, my father still required that it'd be home by 23:30PM. Well, we quarelled and I left shouting "NO WAY!!" and simply did not show up until 10:00am the next day.
    And from now I was allowed to do what I wanted. Because the somehow learnt that I was responsible and survived this quite well.
    Nearly the same on another occasion, this timewith my mum. She required that I'd be home at 10pm at the latest every evening, because they went on holidays. We quarrelled uite hard until she gave in pretty pissed off and said I could do whatever I wanted until I was responsible for it. I almost felt sorry for fighting so hard, but it was worth it.
    #77Author Snowflake (260254) 23 Dec 08, 01:08
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    Snowflake: Ich habe fast den Eindruck, dass du schon eine wirksame Strategie gefunden hast! Vielleicht lohnt es sich trotzdem im Hinblick auf zukünftiges gegenseitiges Vertrauen usw., dir das Ziel zu setzen, deine Eltern auf friedliche Weise auf die neuen Familienverhältnisse umzuerziehen. So was erfordert natürlich eine Menge Geduld deinerseits. Wie sagt man bei Kindern? Zuerst müssen sie lernbereit sein, oder? Vielleicht sind deine Eltern noch nicht lernbereit. ;-)

    Hallo hm--us! Nein, er wohnt in Manhattan - hat das erste Eis des Jahres mitten auf Broadway nicht gesehen.

    #78Author SD3 (451227) 23 Dec 08, 01:39
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    Good to know I can turn to the CC to learn about refined living :-) I had to check Wikipedia to find out what "Noilly Prat" is.

    A broken wrist is no fun (my personal experience in this regard dates back thirty years). I wish SD3-son a speedy recovery.

    Sorry to hear that Wachtelkönig's travel plans may be impacted by the "Big Freeze". From what I hear in the news, the entire northern half of the country is chilled by a stagnant mass of arctic air. Around here it just rains a lot at the moment, but in a sense that's good because without sufficient winter rains we're looking at a very serious drought for next year. Ski resort operator's in the Sierra Nevada are happy about all the new snow just in time for the holidays.

    Going over Snowy's list, I discovered to my amazement that despite spending quite a bit of time at the university, I never a attained the lofty status of "true student"
    #79Author Norbert Juffa (236158) 23 Dec 08, 01:51
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    Yeah, a rather troublesome strategy.
    *sigh*


    @hm-us
    Yes, there are spring holidays, one week. But I actually wnated to go coherent 2-3 weeks. And I can't just skip university lectures, as some of them are Pflichtlektionen with Testatplicht.

    I know I owe them much. It's not that I'm per se aganist it, it's their behind-my-back that annoys me and that I really see no point in shepherding the house.
    #80Author Snowflake (260254) 23 Dec 08, 02:09
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    Aren't there trustworthy neighbours to watch the house? One could conncet a timer to some lamps if the house should appear inhabited. But who would feed the cat? That was always the main job when my parents were travelling. The animal used to get pretty upset and gloomy.
    #81Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 23 Dec 08, 02:28
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    We got all the things you mention, nice neighbours, timered lamps, the neighbours would also feed the cats, and IMHO my little brother doesn't really need a babysitter anymore.
    I'd most probably only defend the house against parties (I hate loud music unless it's mine *gg*) and let my bro do whatever he wants to do, if he cleans it up himself and if it's halfway legal.
    But they say the couldn't go on their holdays without knowing that he's looked after properly (as if I'd do...)

    I think for peace's and thankyou's sake I'll let them do it, if I can work out a new plan.
    But I'll send them an email telling them, I don't want to have this ever again and I want something from them, as an excuse for not being honest.
    And I hope they'll show a little gratefulness.

    The stupid thing is, all my goals, Hamburg, Berlin and so on are situated in Northern Germany. It takes me about 10 h to even get there. grr.

    *sigh* Anger and black tea works like a double espresso, they say.
    #82Author Snowflake (260254) 23 Dec 08, 02:45
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    Can't the brother be sent on some organized trip? Or did your parents that perhaps on purpose, to prevent little Snowflake from venturing through northen Europe in wintertime?
    #83Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 23 Dec 08, 02:53
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    Ja, ihr habt beide recht. Das Haus an sich muss wohl nicht unbedingt gebabysittet werden, aber die Katze. Katzen sollen pflegeleicht sein, sind es aber, was die emotionalen Beziehungen betrifft, anscheinend eigentlich nicht so sehr. (Wie ich es so von einer Freundin verstehe, die ihre Katzen nur sehr ungern allein lässt.) Ich nehme an, der kleine Bruder fährt mit den Eltern weg?

    Wie wär's, wenn du es mit ihnen aushandeln könntest, nur so 8-10 Tage (aus der 3 Wochen) selbst wegzufahren, wenn du jemand auftreiben könntest, der für die Katze sorgen würde? Am schlimmsten Fall der Tierarzt, oder werden Tiere in Mitteleuropa eher nicht beim Tierarzt untergebracht?

    Oder die Katze mit auf der Reise mitnehmen. Das würde deine deutschen Gastgeber überraschen. Aber wenn du mit Haargeräten im Zug klarkommst, wäre ein liebes kleines reisendes Haustier wahrscheinlich kein allzu großes Problem ... (-;

    Guten Abend, Norbert & Wachtelkönig. Wenigstens habt ihr nicht von Denver (hin?)ausfliegen müssen.

    Schön auch, dass Amy und Herr MiMi gut angekommen sind. Ich dachte, hier sei es schlimm, nur, weil der Wasserteller für die Vögel übergefroren war.

    Wenn es im Sierra Nevada schneit, wird hexlein sich wohl freuen, falls sie in den Ferien Zeit zum Schifahren hat.





    #84Author hm -- us (236141) 23 Dec 08, 02:59
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    *f5* Aha, also es liegt eher am Brüderchen. Könnte er also nicht bei den netten Nachbarn untergebracht werden? Oder sogar *schauder* mit dir reisen?
    #85Author hm -- us (236141) 23 Dec 08, 03:01
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    Nope, he's got school.

    Come on, it's Germany. It's a civilisized country, what can there be?

    They have devinitevely something against me going to Berlin and Dresden all alone, though.




    #86Author Snowflake (260254) 23 Dec 08, 03:09
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    Norbert: Danke für die guten Wünsche bzgl. meines Sohnes.
    Die "große" kalifornische Kälte (von 32 Grad F hast du vor ein paar Tagen berichtet, glaube ich) ist wohl inzwischen wieder vorbei. ;-)

    Snowflake: Wachtelkönig hat sehr gute Fragen gestellt. Wäre es nicht möglich, dass die Nachbarn auf das Haus aufpassen, während Geschwister und Haustiere vorübergehend an Freunde bzw. Verwandte vergeben werden?

    Übrigens eine wirksame Taktik für die Zukunft wäre vielleicht: Deine Reisen frühzeitig planen und selbstverständlich auch buchen (sprich bezahlen!) und dies alles auch laut verkünden, damit keiner deine Absicht verkennen kann.

    Du kannst deine Situation natürlich ganz anders sehen. Deine Eltern trauen dir ihr Haus samt Inhalt an! In dem Sinne behandeln sie dich als erwachsenen Mensch. (Trotzdem bin ich der Meinung, dass sie die ganze Sache mit dir im Vorraus hätten abstimmen müssen. An deiner Stelle wäre ich auch ganz sauer.)

    #87Author SD3 (451227) 23 Dec 08, 03:12
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    There aren't any relatives who live close enough... *sigh*

    @hm
    Brr, taking that cat with me... it'd be freaking me out by mewing all day long... and I needed a special visa for it. It's best to let it home, I think. It has actually survived all those times we were away.

    @SD3
    I wonder whether there'll be a next time that is really close to now.

    I'll just try to make it enjyoble by doing all the things I've always wanted to do like shopping in Geneva, racing on the highway to Singen (let's see what I'll make, my mum says that car goes 220, but only in free fall), inviting all my friends for a party, watching TV ALL night, going out in Germany (people say it's worth it)...

    Deine Eltern trauen dir ihr Haus samt Inhalt an!
    I consider this as normal. I'm 18 after all. The last time I burnt the carpet accidentally, was when I was 6.

    Oh, it's nearly four. I think I'll turn the laptop off now...

    Thanks for all the advice.
    #88Author Snowflake (260254) 23 Dec 08, 03:49
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    Snowflake: a next time that is really close to now - Nächste Woche? Übernächste Woche? Sie werden doch nicht die ganzen 6 - 7 Wochen bis Mitte Februar weg sein, oder?
    #89Author SD3 (451227) 23 Dec 08, 04:10
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    Liebe Schnecken: Ich werde möglicherweise in den nächsten Tagen keine Gelegenheit haben, hier reinzuschauen. Also wünsche ich euch allen schöne Feiertage mit der Familie oder mit Freunden. Allen verreisenden Schnecken - Lore, Wachtelkönig und wem sonst wegfährt - wünsche ich auch noch gute Reise und einen erholsamen Urlaub.
    #90Author SD3 (451227) 23 Dec 08, 04:13
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    @SD3: Weather forecast for the Bay Area for the next 24 hours: low of 42 deg F tonight, high of 57 deg F tomorrow. More rain on the way. YMMV, after all the Bay Area has many micro climates.
    #91Author Norbert Juffa (236158) 23 Dec 08, 04:19
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    Well, if hexlein plans to ski some place around Tahoe, she'd better get on her way right now :-) From what I gather from the news, getting to the resorts is a bit tedious at the moment. While roads are open for the most part, chains are required, and apparently it is pretty slow going.
    #92Author Norbert Juffa (236158) 23 Dec 08, 04:23
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    I would love to be in Tahoe during Christmas, but we have so many invitations here for the next week that I don't dare to miss all. Anyway, i will have to work tomorrow, on Satureday and Tuesday next week. However, I have looked longingly at the weather forecast for Tahoe for the next few days.
    #93Authorhexlein (248326) 23 Dec 08, 04:45
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    Thanks for the good wishes and good evening to the Californians!
    The forecast still has "wintry mix" (Hi 29°F) for tomorrow, but the "Rain/Snow" probability seems to have decreased slightly. Hopefully hexlein is running her snow downloading machine. And it is still way too cold, now around 16°F (-9°C).
    #94Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 23 Dec 08, 05:40
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    ... was referring to the rain/snow probability for Wednesday.
    #95Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 23 Dec 08, 05:42
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    *turning the snow downloading machine on 'very high'*
    #96Authorhexlein (248326) 23 Dec 08, 06:45
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    Now rain/snow probability for Wednesday is again 80%. Keep the machine running, hexlein! Good night.
    #97Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 23 Dec 08, 07:07
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    Luckily the machine isn't as loud as the furnace, so I will keep it running over night.
    Good night to you, Wachtelkönig, and all the other leftpondians. I'll now shut down my laptop, too, and try to sleep.
    #98Authorhexlein (248326) 23 Dec 08, 07:15
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    Guten Morgen :-) *schnellvorgoldammerhiersei*!!

    @Flöckli #73 - Hoffentlich ist das Haus wieder da, wo es sein soll, wenn deine Eltern wieder da sind ;-) "sheperding" ist nicht nur "aufpassen" sondern "irgendwas (meistens lebendig) sicher von einer Stelle zur anderen begleiten" natürlich passt man dabei auf, aber die Bewegungsidee ist auch dabei. Ich glaube, ich würde bei "Housewatching" bleiben :-) (ist ja etwas inaktiver!). Kurz nach Weihnachten schicke ich die Kinder an die Schweizer Grenze...es kann nicht allzu weit von dir sein, wenn ich mich recht erinnern...so ungefähr 124,37km ;-). Da könntest du dann echtes Babysitting ausüben;-) Sie fahren allein mit dem Zug und werden ganz stolz sein, wenn sie das hinter sich haben - sie üben schon für die Studentenzeit!

    @SD3 - Es tut mir wegen deines Sohnes - immer wieder beunruhigend, wenn man eine solche Nachricht bekommt.
    #99Author suziq (315879) 23 Dec 08, 08:01
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    @snowflake: your parents are afraid of letting you go alone to Berlin or Dresden? Goodness me... - mine let me travel to Russia on my own just after I passed my A-levels. And I survived ;-)
    But it was in my late twenties only that I finally managed to stop them asking me "where are you going, when will you be back, whom do you meet with, what kind of people are that, what are you going to do, etc.?" by telling them quite bluntly "Listen, I spent a year in France and a year in London, I live in Cologne all year round, you never know where I go, whom I go out with, when or rather whether I come home and in whose bed I spend the night. I go out and will be back for breakfast."
    Especially the "in whose bed I spend the night"-bit did do the job nicely...
    #100Author Chaja (236098) 23 Dec 08, 09:37
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    Hi and good morning!
    Can you see how squeaky I am posting today?
    I've got a cold, it is in the state of sore throat at the moment, and last night I went to a brief choir rehearsal for the hymns we are going to sing on Christmas Eve service. Well, that has done me in. Voice nearly gone.

    Snowflake
    I'm feeling with you. I clearly think your parents should have asked you before, even if you weren't 18. It is thoughtless and sort of impudent to make their holiday plans on the basis of you housewatching without even checking with you and your plans for that time.

    There have been many suggestions from other snails. I think the most promising line of thought would be to try and find somewhere for your brother to go during that time. Are your parents a bit embarrassed at least at what they have done? Are they cooperative in looking for a solution?

    SD3
    Sorry to hear about your son! How awful, and two days before Christmas! I hope it is not a complicated fracture with the risk of whatever intricacies.

    off to do....things....
    (I was very pleased to see lala in here after such a long time!)
    #101Author Goldammer (428405) 23 Dec 08, 09:52
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    *g* Still having to do a couple of things as well but not before having wished everybody around here Merry Christmas and all the best for 2009!
    #102Author katieoclare22089 (260774) 23 Dec 08, 13:54
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    Good morning.

    Hopefully hexlein is running her snow downloading machine.
    It's 28.9 °F -- 'Winter Storm Watch' in effect from late tonight through Wednesday evening. @ hexlein, help!

    @ Flöckli, sorry, we just don't like 'your relatives'...I'm used to our 'rainy' WA winter.


    @ Wachtelkönig, have a safe trip.

    @ Amy, I thought about you, good to hear that you arrived safely. I'm so glad, elated, happy, etc. that we don't live in IA anymore.


    @ all, travelers, stay-at-homes, and to everyone who has to work on Christmas Eve, have a safe and wonderful Christmas. Season's Greetings!
    #103Authora (us)23 Dec 08, 16:05
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    Hello a, thanks!
    I can hardly look out of the window, some sort of precipitation is freezing to the pane. 25°F (-4°C) over here.

    Since most seem to be disappearing I would like to wish everybody happy holidays as well.
    #104Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 23 Dec 08, 19:00
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    Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to everyone :-))

    Safe travels and you can send a little snow my way on Christmas eve and day :-))
    #105Author Mousy (427643) 23 Dec 08, 19:28
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    Guten Abend!! Hallo an die seltenen Gäste Mousy und Katie :-)

    Also der Baum steht, die Kerzen brennen und was noch eingekauft werden muss, ist auch klar...:-)
    #106Author suziq (315879) 23 Dec 08, 19:51
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    Hi suziq, I hope you are well :-)
    #107Author Mousy (427643) 23 Dec 08, 19:55
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    *slowlycreepin'in*

    I will never understand why vertebral discs were invented without a secure fixation ...
    #108Author neutrino (17998) 23 Dec 08, 20:23
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    Hi Neutrino!
    BTW you were right about the Ekmann Drift.
    #109Author Snowflake (260254) 23 Dec 08, 20:27
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    *wavingsouthwards*

    Flöckli, I know ... otherwise I would not have mentioned it.


    #110Author neutrino (17998) 23 Dec 08, 20:34
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    Okay, it seems to be intervertebral disc
    #111Author neutrino (17998) 23 Dec 08, 20:35
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    doesn't sound too good, neutrino! What happened to your what-so-ever discs?
    #112Author Goldammer (428405) 23 Dec 08, 22:15
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    @suziq
    Die Kerzen brennen ???????????????
    On the 23rd????????????????????????????
    Is you nothing holy??????????? (6-gear)

    I'm feeling quite terrible, freezing a little - I hope I won't get fever. I'll go to bed with a hot water bottle and a hot water cup.
    Our tree is also ready, and although it is a quite krummes Dingens, it looks really really nice.
    #113Author Goldammer (428405) 23 Dec 08, 22:17
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    Hi Goldammer. I don't know. It began on Sunday. This morning I visited the doc, he gave me a dorsal shot. Then he asked me whether I would need a sick certificate. I laughed and went to the office ...

    I think I should exercise more sports ... A good intention for the coming year.

    #114Author neutrino (17998) 23 Dec 08, 22:23
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    Hmm, there is something in the air. My mother will not be able to come to us tomorrow as she caught a kind of a stomach flu ...

    Im have a sore throat and a running nose ...
    #115Author neutrino (17998) 23 Dec 08, 22:27
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    oh, neutrino, how awful!
    I wish everybody a get-well-soon, and I'm really off to bed now!
    #116Author Goldammer (428405) 23 Dec 08, 22:29
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    Goldammer, I wish you a good night.
    #117Author neutrino (17998) 23 Dec 08, 22:35
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    *joining the sore throat and ear ache club*
    #118Author Chaja (236098) 23 Dec 08, 22:41
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    *handingoverchajasomethingtogargleandeardrops*

    #119Author neutrino (17998) 23 Dec 08, 22:43
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    Don't mix them up.
    #120Author neutrino (17998) 23 Dec 08, 22:44
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    This seems more to be a hospital than a chat room. :-))

    *spreadinggetwellsoonwishestoallwhoneedsthem*
    #121Author bluesky (236159) 23 Dec 08, 23:49
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    *medic to the rescue!*
    #122AuthorFlo_123 (467740) 24 Dec 08, 00:43
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    Hi nursey XD
    #123Author Snowflake (260254) 24 Dec 08, 01:00
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    Good evening!
    This horrible weather should be forbidden. Worse than snow. Ice, ice mud and puddles all over the place. Hope I will make it to the laundry room and back. Poor trees are disintegrating with the heavy ice load.
    #124Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 24 Dec 08, 02:59
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    Morgääääääään

    This time even before Goldy.

    Got an, erh, appointment; we had to settle for this early kind of date.

    I just hope that train won't be empty or the trainsstation all deserted...

    Anyway, have a nice day!

    #125Author Snowflake (260254) 24 Dec 08, 05:04
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    Boooah, Snowflake mutated from a night owl to an early bird.

    Hmm, maybe the church is right and there really happen wonders on Christmas Eve ...
    #126Author neutrino (17998) 24 Dec 08, 07:46
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    Since, it's Christmas Eve, the following poem would appear to fit the occasion. I wish all flu-affected snails a speedy recovery.


    Knecht Ruprecht
    Theodor Storm (1817-1888)

    Von drauß' vom Walde komm ich her;
    Ich muß euch sagen, es weihnachtet sehr!
    Allüberall auf den Tannenspitzen
    Sah ich goldene Lichtlein sitzen;
    Und droben aus dem Himmelstor
    Sah mit großen Augen das Christkind hervor.
    Und wie ich so strolcht durch den finstern Tann,
    Da rief's mich mit heller Stimme an.
    »Knecht Ruprecht«, rief es, »alter Gesell,
    Hebe die Beine und spute dich schnell!
    Die Kerzen fangen zu brennen an,
    Das Himmelstor ist aufgetan.
    Alt' und Junge sollen nun
    Von der Jagd des Lebens einmal ruhn;
    Und morgen flieg ich hinab zur Erden,
    Denn es soll wieder Weihnachten werden!«
    Ich sprach: »O lieber Herre Christ,
    Meine Reise fast zu Ende ist;
    Ich soll nur noch in diese Stadt,
    Wo's eitel gute Kinder hat.«
    »Hast denn das Säcklein auch bei dir?«
    Ich sprach: »Das Säcklein, das ist hier;
    Denn Äpfel, Nuß und Mandelkern
    Essen fromme Kinder gern.«
    »Hast denn die Rute auch bei dir?«
    Ich sprach: »Die Rute, die ist hier;
    Doch für die Kinder nur, die schlechten,
    Die trifft sie auf den Teil, den rechten.«
    Christkindlein sprach: »So ist es recht;
    So geh mit Gott, mein treuer Knecht!«
    Von drauß' vom Walde komm ich her;
    Ich muß euch sagen, es weihnachtet sehr!
    Nun sprecht, wie ich's hierinnen find!
    Sind's gute Kind, sind's böse Kind?
    #127Author Norbert Juffa (236158) 24 Dec 08, 07:51
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    Good mooorning!

    Ho ho ho... and Merry Christmas to all last men & women standing!

    I hope time in office will pass quick for all of us today :(
    #128AuthorGloin alKzar (383923) 24 Dec 08, 08:19
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    !hyvää neutrino .. hope you are well prepared for x-mas .. and maybe even wonders happen on x-mas :o) Greetings to CoN :)
    #129Author la.ktho (236390) 24 Dec 08, 08:21
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    Thank you Norbert.

    Gloin, I am not in the office ... not yet ;-(

    lala, are you sure regarding the wonders? Will you appear here today and install my WLAN? ;o)
    Be aware when coming through the chimney as the way will lead directly to the oil heating burner ...
    #130Author neutrino (17998) 24 Dec 08, 08:37
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    Experiences of an early morning:
    It was quite nice. The whole town but a few poor sods who had to work was still asleep on 5:45. When I then got home by 8:00 the town was just waking up. Everything seemed so fresh and the air was cold and clear. Kind of magic.
    But, as they say, if it gets a routine it will lose its mnagic, so getting up before 8:00 will remain something that is done twice a year or so :D
    #131Author Snowflake (260254) 24 Dec 08, 08:52
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    neutrino: Well, so I do understand now what you mean with "you will always have a nice warm place here".

    According to my schedule a visit of Germany is not included this X-mas. What a pitty. But it means also that I can relax and enjoy .. laying lazy on my couch :)

    I recommend that you refuel your car someday and take a trip to my hometown .. since the fuel prices are that low you will smile refueling here .. beside the fact that the lunatic asylum is almost finished here

    So .. some hours work .. than I will get into my car and sleep myself home ..
    #132Author la.ktho (236390) 24 Dec 08, 08:52
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    Yeah .. Usually it start snowing in the evening ..
    #133Author la.ktho (236390) 24 Dec 08, 08:53
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    lala, it'd neübe better if you sleep only after having arrived at home. Give our greetings also to your "better half".

    I've got to leave for the office soon ...
    #134Author neutrino (17998) 24 Dec 08, 09:09
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    Self correction: it'd be better ...
    #135Author neutrino (17998) 24 Dec 08, 09:09
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    @Flöckli #125 - gar vor neutrino ;-)

    *aufzumaldimach*

    Ich wünsche Euch alle eine fröhliche, friedliche Weihnachten :-) (falls ich es nicht mehr schaffe :-))
    #136Author suziq (315879) 24 Dec 08, 10:40
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    Merry Christmas folks!

    @Snowflake: XD Somehow I have this strange feeling that you'll continue teasing me with that nickname...:o)))
    #137AuthorFlo_123 (467740) 24 Dec 08, 15:19
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    *smilinginnocentlyatflo*



    Merry Christmas(eve).

    #138Author Snowflake (260254) 24 Dec 08, 16:35
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    Season's greetings @all.
    #139Author bluesky (236159) 24 Dec 08, 18:35
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    Hello!
    Now fortunately the crap is slowly melting (don't worry hexlein, I am just referring to this neckbreakingly slippery ice).
    #140Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 24 Dec 08, 18:45
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    Happy Holidays, Happy Hanukkah and Merry Christmas to all of you.
    #141Author Rex (236185) 24 Dec 08, 18:46
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    Merry Christmas and Seasons Greetings to everybody!

    Wachtelkönig, I wish you a wonderful trip and good weather to set out for it!
    #142Author Goldammer (428405) 24 Dec 08, 19:15
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    Ich wünsche Euch allen frohe Festtage!
    #143AuthorSilvapunkt (444726) 24 Dec 08, 19:19
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    Wow, there are actually some people around... and I thought this might get deserted over here...
    nice holidays to everybody!
    #144Author Chaja (236098) 24 Dec 08, 19:25
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    Merry Christmas to you too Snowflake (and for all the others of course too). :)
    #145AuthorFlo_123 (467740) 24 Dec 08, 19:26
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    *waving through really quickliy*
    I have to prepare my last English lesson before Christmas.
    #146Authorhexlein (248326) 24 Dec 08, 19:55
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    self-correction:
    I have to prepare for my last English lesson before Christmas.
    #147Authorhexlein (248326) 24 Dec 08, 19:55
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    Thank you, Goldammer! Today the morning flights were cancelled. But there will be no more precipitation according to the forecast.

    Have happy holidays, everysnail!
    #148Author Wachtelkönig (396690) 24 Dec 08, 20:19
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    Sonnenschein und 65 °F hier im schönen Süden. Merry Christmas, y'all.

    Muss nur noch einmal wieder schnell zum *schluck* Supermarkt, mal sehen, ob ich jemals zurückkomme ... (-;
    #149Author hm -- us (236141) 24 Dec 08, 21:38
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    Merry Christmas!
    #150Author kisan (466721) 24 Dec 08, 22:25
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    @Goldammer: Thanks for the nice highlights and the comfy new premises!
    #151Author kisan (466721) 24 Dec 08, 22:27
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    Merry Christmas! Als kleines Geschenk hier ein Link. Eins meiner Lieblingsweihnachtslieder (auf Englisch) ist Silver Bells. Hier kannst du mehr zur Geschichte des Lieds erfahren: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?...
    #152Author Amy-MiMi (236989) 25 Dec 08, 02:23
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    @Amu-Mimi: Quite an interesting story. I have to admit I hadn't heard of "Silver Bells" up till now. Did anybody identify the various performance played in the background? It seemed to me that among others, they featured Perry Como, Dean Martin, and Alvin and the Chipmunks, and the duo is Bing Crosby and Carol Richards (?). But of course I could be completely wrong about all this.

    A very merry Christmas to all snails!
    #153Author Norbert Juffa (236158) 25 Dec 08, 04:40
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    Wishing you all a Merry Christmas
    #154Author penguin (236245) 25 Dec 08, 09:05
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    Merry Christmas, my dear snails and and all the best wishes for 2009, most of all health and wealth.
    #155Author Steve53 (329426) 25 Dec 08, 10:53
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    Merry Christmas, all!

    Just back from a little cruise, I was for the first time allowed to drive my father's car *smile*

    Looking forward to the turkey that's still sitting in our stove.

    BTW: How to make the perfect turkey:


    "1. Es besteht ein Zusammenhang zwischen dem Radius des Tieres und dem Gewicht desselben, woraus sich ableitet: Der Radius der Gans (man betrachte diese als Kugel) ist proportional zur dritten Wurzel der Masse, woraus folgende Formel resultiert:

    Vkugel (4пr³) / 3

    Die Bratdauer verhält sich proportional zur Backrohrtemperatur und der Masse der Gans. Mit Hilfe der Thermodynamik können Sie die erforderliche Bratdauer berechnen. Da jedoch die Formel hiefür etwas kompliziert ist, wird Ihnen die folgende Näherungsgleichung sicher gute Dienste leisten:

    t{ (³√m ) / ( k • (T BA – T Zentrum)}² und mit
    k = 0.0008526 {(kg ¹/³ ) / ( min ¹/ ² °C) }

    Falls Sie jedoch trotz dieser mathematischen Hilfsmittel, die für ein gelungenes Bratergebnis sorgen, unsicher sind, schieben Sie die Gans wie gewohnt ins Rohr, genehmigen Sie sich ein ausreichend großes Glas Rotwein, saufen Sie sich die Gans schön und erklären Sie dann Ihren Lieben, dass Sie für läppische Grundrechnungsarten am Weihnachtsabend einfach keine Zeit haben. Man wird Ihnen dann zwar wie jedes Jahr verzeihen, trotzdem aber insgeheim hoffen, dass Sie sich endlich einen Taschenrechner mit Exponentialfunktion zulegen."

    Source: http://herold.twoday.net/stories/4549580/
    #156Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 18:24
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    Snowflake: *ggg*

    I did just inaugurate my new crêpe pan (how do you call that special frying pan in English?) and ate a couple of lovely crêpes wiht sugar, lemon and amaretto...

    Now I'll retreat to my sofa, have a look at the TV programme and watch my chanukka candles burning...

    Have a nice evening everybody!
    #157Author Chaja (236098) 25 Dec 08, 18:44
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    @Chaja: Are the crêpes the modern version of the traditional latkes? :-) Happy Hanukkah belatedly (apparently I missed the start on December 22nd)!
    #158Author Norbert Juffa (236158) 25 Dec 08, 19:05
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    *quicklypeepin'in*
    *waivingatChajaandSnowflakeandNorbert*

    Chaja, I hope you're feeling better today.

    I wish you all a wonderful Christmas, Chanukkah, Holiday, whatsoever evening.

    #159Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 19:11
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    Just found an ancient computergame.
    I'm about double as old as necessary, but I'll try it out.


    Neutrino, are you working???
    Poor Teili!
    #160Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 19:43
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    Snowflake, no, definitely not today. It was sufficient that I had to haste to the office yesterday evening after the gift giving :-(

    We have been for lunch with my parents, also my sister with family came. Now we're back home for a calm and quiet evening.
    #161Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 19:50
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    My laptop is too new for that game. It broke down.
    *sigh*
    Need another occupation.


    We celebrated yesterday evening. Today we went to our Grandparent's for a visit and I could drive :D

    There's ice age on SF3, in case you like that.
    #162Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 20:06
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    Snowflake, we also celebrated. Unfortunately the client from the US. Most probably they didn't even think of the time difference ... *sigh* .. such is life as a service provider ...

    Ice Age 2 is also on RTL and ORF. We will watch it together with neutrinito.
    #163Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 20:13
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    Which game?
    #164Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 20:13
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    Btw it's on SF2.
    #165Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 20:15
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    "Stadtralley - Rätselspass für clevere Kids"
    Von Westermann Multimedia, ab 9 Jahren.


    Well, so be glad he didn't phone you in the middle of the night ;-)
    #166Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 20:19
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    Maybe, you're just too old ...

    8 p.m. was pretty late ... I was back home at about 10.
    #167Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 20:22
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    You even get sf2??

    I can't watch Ice Age.
    The TV in the w-lan zone is occupied by my mum now; she wants to watch Rosamunde Pilcher. I somehow don't like those movies of which you can tell 20 min before it even started, who's gonna fall in love with whom.
    #168Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 20:22
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    No, SF2 is not transmitted over the satellite we receive.

    Pilcher?? Awful. Yuck!
    #169Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 20:28
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    Well, after you've seen the most (I used to watch them with my Granny) you simply know how they'll end. So it gets a little boring after a while.

    *sigh*
    #170Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 20:41
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    They could just show views of the nice Cornwall landscape without strange people falling in love, couldn't they?
    #171Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 20:46
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    *nod*
    But the new thing today is, that it's about high-society. I guess she'll find a nice farmer guy, though (as always) ;-)

    *Sigh*
    Nothing in tv, no pc games?
    What can I do???
    Mhm, maybe I should write that nerd back, telling him I asolutely don't want anything from him at all. Or sould I just don't write at all? mhm. Do men understand the she-ignores-me-so-she-is-not-interested-thing?
    #172Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 21:03
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    (Note to avoid misunderstandings, the nerd's not writing in the yellow boxes, he's writing in my Microsoft outlook)
    #173Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 21:06
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    Some do, others don't. There are some who are incited by being ignored as they are of the opinion that women do this only to actuate them. Can't you assess him?
    #174Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 21:11
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    Maybe a kind of a hunting instinct?
    #175Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 21:13
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    Ha! What did I say? The high-society-lady got rescued by the farmer. They're getting close to each other.


    I've no idea about him, really.
    I'll be short and non-charming and that's it, maybe he just tried to be nice.
    Reading men is somehow a complicated thing.
    #176Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 21:25
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    No, men are very easy to read. What is really complicated are women.
    #177Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 21:29
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    Well, see, if you write something to a woman, she'll think about it and come to 13 different interpretations, if you write the same to a man, he'll only get one of these interpretations, but which one?

    That's what makes them complicated. You never know, how much they understand.
    #178Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 21:35
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    .. which one?

    Maybe tht logical one.
    #179Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 21:41
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    They're all logical, neutrino.


    :P
    #180Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 21:43
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    And this is what makes women so complicated. *nodding*
    #181Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 21:47
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    Nah. Just think of every possible solution.


    *eatingpineapple*
    #182Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 22:01
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    Men usually come to the one and only logical solution. Male and female logic seem to be widely incompatible ;o)
    #183Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 22:10
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    nah nah nah, one needs to think in different angles, which will lead to different solutions.

    Male and female logic seem to be widely incompatible
    We could settle on that.

    BTW: Don't you use the word Stange in connection to beer in Germany?
    #184Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 22:18
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    This is used only in Cologne for their strange glasses they use to drink a kind of beer substitute they call Kölsch.
    #185Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 22:24
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    Aha. I've read it's only used in Switzerland...
    We use it for the size of the glass (ca 0,3), not the beer that's in there.
    #186Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 22:35
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    To avoid a misunderstanding: the people in Cologne also use it for the glass not the content which is called Kölsch. The size of the glass is .2 l.
    #187Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 22:41
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    Other ones call that kind of glass test tube.
    #188Author bluesky (236159) 25 Dec 08, 22:43
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    #189Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 22:46
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    There now two new couples who have already landed in bed with each other and who are about to marry.

    @bluesky
    ;-)
    0.2l is truly nothing compared to a Mass.
    One probably needed to fill the 0.2 with Vodka to get the same effect;-)
    #190Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 22:46
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    Couples? Err, I can't follow ...
    #191Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 22:50
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    Rosamunde Pilcher, you remember, I'm currently being forced to watch it.
    But now it has stopped.
    #192Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 22:52
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    I remember but I thought this would have lasted for 90 minutes only.
    #193Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 22:54
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    Nah.

    And now there's already the next love(ly) movie -.-
    #194Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 22:59
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    Sounds as you don't really share your mom's taste in movies.

    #195Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 23:01
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    I actually share no-one's tastes in movies :D
    I'm more into the funny movies.

    What kind of movies do you like?
    #196Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 23:08
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    I've just watched Victor/Victoria that wonderful confusion comedy. Btw, does anyone know how is the wonderful Julie Andrews doing today?
    #197Author bluesky (236159) 25 Dec 08, 23:11
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    Very different kinds. Good Sci-Fis, thrillers, comedies, ...
    #198Author neutrino (17998) 25 Dec 08, 23:12
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    Oh, don't ask me about actors, bluesky.
    I only know a few of them.
    #199Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 23:14
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    *sliming quickly through*

    MERRY CHRISTMAS!

    I hope you all had a wonderful (or at least pleasant and peaceful) Christmas Eve, and I have a lot of good wishes for all of you: happy and relaxed holidays, safe travels, perfect holiday weather, miraculously cured colds, patient and fun-to-be-with relatives, and all the best for 2009.

    *waving to snowflake, neutrino and bluesky*
    #200Author candice (447114) 25 Dec 08, 23:30
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    *selfcorrection* The is has to be before the doing.
    #201Author bluesky (236159) 25 Dec 08, 23:41
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    I didn't even notice ;-)
    #202Author Snowflake (260254) 25 Dec 08, 23:47
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    Thank you, candice.

    I will head for my bed now. Good night.
    #203Author neutrino (17998) 26 Dec 08, 00:28
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    Good morning dear snails.

    *lookingaround* Hmm, nobody here ... Even Goldammer seems to have become a late riser over Christmas ;o)
    #204Author neutrino (17998) 26 Dec 08, 08:06
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    I've exchanged roles with Goldy;-)

    Nah won't be happening to often again, I've just picked up something that woke me up at 6:45 or so... bahh... on Christmas day.
    #205Author Snowflake (260254) 26 Dec 08, 08:28
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    Hi Snowy! A very good morning to you. Still tired?

    Maybe you will find out one day that getting up early is not so bad at all.
    #206Author neutrino (17998) 26 Dec 08, 08:34
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    Tired? I'm exhausted!
    I barely slept and peacefully lying around in bed was finished at 6:45 already.

    I'm not up by free will. If I hadn't been not at ease I'd still be sleeping instead of sipping bouillon and milfoil tea.
    #207Author Snowflake (260254) 26 Dec 08, 08:43
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    O sorry, I read this over. Milfoil tea? Are you feeling so bad? Poor Flöckli. I hope that it is not anything too serious and that you feel better very soon, hopefully already today.
    #208Author neutrino (17998) 26 Dec 08, 08:50
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    Once you got used to its taste it's okay.
    I dunno what it is. I'm not feeling that bad anymore, so it probably won't be life-threatening.
    I'm trying to squeeze out of uncle Google what to do, but he's no sure. He can't decide between salt, acid and alcohol.;-)

    Hope you'll get something better for breakfast than me.
    Are there good Gipfeli in Germany?
    #209Author Snowflake (260254) 26 Dec 08, 09:14
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    In my opinion you should refrain from alcohol. Hmm, of course, if the reason was alcohol you could try to bear poison with poison as a kind of antidote ;o)

    Gipfeli? Do you mean croissants? Yes there are, depending on the baker. Today, unfortunately, no baker in our town district is open.
    #210Author neutrino (17998) 26 Dec 08, 09:18
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    [selfcorrection] replacing bear by beat
    #211Author neutrino (17998) 26 Dec 08, 09:20
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    I doubt the reason's alcohol. I haven't ahd some for ages.

    We once had Gipfeli from a bakery(!) in Mecklenburg, but that was, uhm, let's call it: not quite what we're used.
    I guess Coop-Aufbach-Gipfel would have tasted better ;-)
    #212Author Snowflake (260254) 26 Dec 08, 09:26
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    Are you sure that these Gipfeli had been made really in Meck-Pomm and not fabricated in Poland and shipped half-baken to Germany where they were just heated and finalized? We have this also sometimes with Brezeln made in the Czech Republic and just finalized here. It's cheaper to prepare them abroad and ship theme here for labour costs. But you can easily taste the difference.
    #213Author neutrino (17998) 26 Dec 08, 09:39
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    hmm, dunno. We fed them to the swans who were swimming along the boat.
    Apart from that, I've never seen a Gipfeli in Germany.
    Oh, in Freiburg we had some, they were quite nice.

    Can't you expect a bakery to make them themselves?

    #214Author Snowflake (260254) 26 Dec 08, 09:52
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    I don't think that there are many bakeries making them fully, i.e. also the batter, themselves. Most probably they usually make use the pre-fabricated batter. However, from a good baker I expect that he does not use pre-fabricated semi-finished stuff shipped in a cooling truck hundreds of kilometres. With Brezeln this stuff is called "Teiglinge".
    #215Author neutrino (17998) 26 Dec 08, 10:05
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    The very good bakeries (like Sprüngli) here make everything themselves, glaubs.
    Migros and Coop use batter and bake it up, but they're also quite nice.


    Know what's even more disgusting than milfoil tea? Milfoil tea with lemon.
    *sigh*
    But it seems to be getting better.
    #216Author Snowflake (260254) 26 Dec 08, 10:31
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    It's the same here with the very good bakeries. At least I think so.

    The main thing is that it helps.

    #217Author neutrino (17998) 26 Dec 08, 10:40
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    And now I have to leave. Maybe until later!
    #218Author neutrino (17998) 26 Dec 08, 10:46
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    BB, have fun!

    Maybe until later, maybe not.
    If I find enough power I'll go and try to lunge the horse.
    #219Author Snowflake (260254) 26 Dec 08, 11:01
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    *waves to everybody*

    Hey Snowy! :) Are you ill? (That just reminded me that i have my medic uniform at home *blushes*, I think I'll have to take a pic of me in it :o)
    Oh and by the way: I think "Gipfeli" is spelled "Kipferl" isn't it? :S...Yay, I got days off until new years eve.
    #220AuthorFlo_123 (467740) 26 Dec 08, 12:01
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    I was an early bird today, was up before everybody else, but only because we sang our Bach Kantata today and had a brief last rehearsal before the service.
    #221Author Goldammer (428405) 26 Dec 08, 12:07
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    Sodele... Weihnachten absolviert!! Heute war...interessant ;-)

    Die Kinder setzten wir in den Zug und dann...gingen die Türe zu!! Auf jedem Fall können wir berichten, dass man ganz leicht von hier aus nach Mannheim fahren kann -und die Verbindung nach Hause ist auch gut ;-) Danach haben wir einen entspannenden Nachmittag beim Kühlschrank Abtauen verbracht. Die Buchstabensuppe droht schon länger aber jetzt wurden die Buchstaben...err...Worte in Taten umgesetzt ;-)

    Apropos Buchstabensuppe...so kommunizieren wir nicht am Tisch:

    http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr_GwQnq0rg

    :-)
    #222Author suziq (315879) 26 Dec 08, 19:00
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    *yawn*
    I've slept until now, the next attempt to get him walking decently on the lunge will be delayed to tomorrow.

    @suziq
    Mannheim?

    Last time I tried to get from Mainz to Zurich via Mannheim, the train I should have taken in Mannheim had a) a delay of about 1h and b)changed its plans and didn't go to Zurich, but stopped in Basel.
    But at least there's a McDo in the Mannheim trainstation.

    @Schwester Florian
    Yes, I think so, I'm trying to cure it and nah, in Switzerland it's Gipfeli or Gipfel.
    #223Author Snowflake (260254) 26 Dec 08, 19:20
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    Hallo Schnecken! Geht's euch gut? Hier sieht es so aus:
    Geschenke ausgepackt, zuviel gegessen, Sohn am Bahnhof deponiert, damit er nach Hause fahren kann, um dort in Sachen Handgelenk heute noch einen Facharzt zu Rate zu ziehen, Buchstabensuppe nie wieder essen will - habe eh keinen Appetit mehr! - Flo gern in Arztgehilfe-Uniform sehen möchte.

    Frage an Snowflake: "lunge" bei einem Pferd - was bedeutet das? Es klingt fast, als ob du das arme Tier angreifen willst.
    #224Author SD3 (451227) 26 Dec 08, 20:43
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    #225Author Snowflake (260254) 26 Dec 08, 21:04
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    Danke Snowflake. Ich habe vermutet, dass es sich um einen Terminus technicus handelt. Wird man dabei nicht schwindelig?
    #226Author SD3 (451227) 26 Dec 08, 21:17
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    What's all this going on about Buchstabensuppe???
    I don't understand a thing!
    (funny link, though, suziq!)

    #227Author Goldammer (428405) 26 Dec 08, 21:20
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    Hallo Goldammer. Buchstabensuppe? Weiß ich auch nicht, bin mir aber ziemlich sicher, dass ich die Zungen meiner Tischgäste nicht unbedingt sehen will.
    #228Author SD3 (451227) 26 Dec 08, 21:37
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    @SD3

    hm, yes, it's a special word.

    If you only stand in the middle and have the horse counter around you you'll probybly get dizzy. I usually walk or run a small circle.
    #229Author Snowflake (260254) 26 Dec 08, 21:45
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    Moment mal: Wird es einem schwindelig - so hätte ich's schreiben müssen, oder?

    Canter (statt counter) meinst du wohl? Oops - probably.

    Übrigens, suziq, den Kühlschrank abtauen - ist das ein alteingessener hessischer Weihnachtsgebrauch?
    #230Author SD3 (451227) 26 Dec 08, 21:56
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    ehm, yes. "Wird es einem schwindelig" is the correct version. Sometimes I just oversee those things.
    And yes, I meant canter.
    #231Author Snowflake (260254) 26 Dec 08, 22:05
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    Wird es einem schwindelig is the correct form. But Wird man dabei schwindelig? is also possible, colloquially. At least, it didn't feel wrong to me in your posting.

    Well, people who light the Christmas tree candles on the 23rd might as well defreeze their fridge on Boxing Day, mightn't they??? :-D
    #232Author Goldammer (428405) 26 Dec 08, 22:08
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    I knew it Flöckli! I knew that you woould tease me with my new nickname >_< ;P.
    #233AuthorFlo_123 (467740) 26 Dec 08, 22:24
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    "Man wird schwindlig"... never heard this.

    @Schwesterflo
    Really? How could you tell? ;-)
    Wait another week and I'll call you DocFlo.
    #234Author Snowflake (260254) 26 Dec 08, 22:33
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    well I have definitely heard it. Maybe it's Swabian.
    Neutrino, what do you say?
    (Why did I use present perfect here? Is it right? *inzwischen völlig verunsichert sei*)
    #235Author Goldammer (428405) 26 Dec 08, 22:38
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    Goldammer und Snowflake: Danke für die Kommentare zu schwindelig.

    Bezüglich Weihnachtsgebräuche - hier handelt es sich wohl um einen Fall von künstlerischer Freiheit. :-)

    Sometimes I just don't notice those things.

    Und da ich gerade daran denken: Free will (weiß nicht, im welchem Posting das vorkam) - man würde meines Erachtens normalerweise sagen z.B. I didn't do it voluntarily oder it wasn't my idea, they made me. Bei LEO steht: aus freien Stücken = on his own free will. Das ist meiner Meinung nach falsch - of one's own free will, heißt es.

    #236Author SD3 (451227) 26 Dec 08, 22:39
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    Goldammer: #235 Meinst du I have definitely heard it? Ist richtig so.
    #237Author SD3 (451227) 26 Dec 08, 22:43
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    Corr.:
    I think it's Weihnachtsbrauch, not -gebrauch.
    Und da ich gerade daran denke (ohne n)

    Why don't you post it in wrong entry?
    #238Author Snowflake (260254) 26 Dec 08, 22:59
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    thanks SD3, so my language feeling was right. But why? Do you know?
    #239Author Goldammer (428405) 26 Dec 08, 23:31
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    Snowflake: Hmmm... jetzt übersiehst du aber anscheinend nichts mehr. ;-) Danke.

    Why don't you post it in wrong entry? Weil ich kein "prescriptivist" bin, weil das mit Arbeit verbunden wäre und ich momentan zu faul bin, weil ich so was noch nie gemacht habe, .... OK, habe ich inzwischen gemacht - I didn't want to, it wasn't my idea, I tried to get out of it, but someone made me! *g*

    Goldammer: my language feeling was right. But why? Tut mir leid, wenn es um Erklärungen geht, bist du bei mir leider wirklich an der falschen Adresse. Es kann aber bestimmt ein Mitleser erklären.
    #240Author SD3 (451227) 26 Dec 08, 23:58
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    Snowflake: Was ganz anderes. Ich habe gestern mit jemandem gesprochen, der Burn Express benutzt, um CDs zu brennen. Kennst du's? Man kann's kostenlos runterladen.
    #241Author SD3 (451227) 27 Dec 08, 00:26
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    I don't know that programme. I've recently downloaded "Yahoo! Music Jukebox". It's the new version of "Musicmatch Jukebox", it works pretty well as long as there's internet access.

    *Sigh*
    I've slept all afternoon and I'm still soooo tired. Can't explain why. I guess I'll go to bed or sleep on the couch
    #242Author Snowflake (260254) 27 Dec 08, 00:36
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    could one or two English native speakers give their two cent to this one:

    related discussion: "boy" als Interjektion

    (The book I was referring to is the really dreadful German translation of the book "Dewey. The Small-Town Library Cat Who Touched The World" by Vicky Myron which I was given for Christmas by a friend. Another example of a clearly wrong translation was "es war pathetisch" which was most certainly "it was pathetic" in the original. Pathetic!)
    #243Author Goldammer (428405) 27 Dec 08, 00:46
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    Oh my goodness, this translator is really great in false friends. She obviously translates "to wink" with "winken". Well...
    #244Author Goldammer (428405) 27 Dec 08, 00:52
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    *winking@goldammer* *ggg*

    Goldammer, I usually know and use "mir (einem) wird schwindelig".

    "Man wird schwindelig"? I think I heard this sometimes also. I know that it's not correct but at the same time I have the feeling that it's colloquial, maybe Swabian. However, it's just a feeling, I'm not sure.
    #245Author neutrino (17998) 27 Dec 08, 09:24
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    Hi everybody!

    @suziq - Buchstabensuppe (you tube) *ggg*

    "Thank God it´s ... (Christmas) OVER!"
    I´ll tell you more some time soon, but I think next year I will just boycott the whole thing...
    #246Author candice (447114) 27 Dec 08, 11:52
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    *quickly waving in*
    Sorry snails, can't talk. I've completely lost my voice...
    #247Author Chaja (236098) 27 Dec 08, 13:07
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    @goldammer/SD3 - re: "Buchstabensuppe": das war nur eine schwache Überleitung zum Link...ansonsten, weißt du, dass der Buchstabenhaufen gedroht hatte, den Kühlschrank abzutauen (im CC irgendwann erwähnt worden)...und jetzt hat er es getan!

    @goldammer Re: 235/239 - "I've heard it" - du hast es irgendwann schon einmal gehört - bis zum heutigen Tag aber du weißt nicht genau wann oder wo.

    @snowflake - #242 "I've recently downloaded" sollte "I recently downloaded" - "recently" ist eine Zeitangabe (auch wenn eine ziemliche vage)- simple past.
    Re: Mannheim - ja, auch dieser Zug sollte (planmäßig) weiter nach Basel!

    candice, neutrino, goldammer *wildzuwink*





    #248Author suziq (315879) 27 Dec 08, 13:09
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    Hallo Schnecken!

    Chaja ;-) Gute Besserung - nicht nur damit, du bald mehr schreiben kannst.

    Goldammer: Wieso schenkt dir jemand eine Übersetzung ausgerechnet aus dem Englischen?

    Suzi1: Das Abtauhen geht doch schneller im Sommer, oder?

    Für den Fall, dass sich jemand dafür interessiert, heißt Buchstabensuppe auf Englisch alphabet soup. Alphabet soup kann man auch im übertragenen Sinn verwenden:

    alphabet soup noun [U]
    1 (informal) language which is extremely difficult to understand, especially because it contains many symbols or abbreviations
    2 soup that contains pasta in the shape of letters
    http://www.oup.com/oald-bin/web_getald7index1a.pl

    Kann man Buchstabensuppe auch in diesem übertragenen Sinn verwenden?
    #249Author SD3 (451227) 27 Dec 08, 14:43
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    #249: Entschuldige suziq, bin offensichtlich noch nicht hundertprozentig wach.

    #249 u.232: Zum Kühlschrank-Abtauen (ohne "h") sagen wir eher defrost als defreeze, meine ich.
    #250Author SD3 (451227) 27 Dec 08, 14:50
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    @SD3 - Meine Buchstabensuppe bezieht sich auf den aus Leo bekannten "Konsanantenhaufen" (wrdl...), der sich jetzt mit der Tiefkühltruhe beschäftigt *hackgeräuscheimkellerhör* *föngeräuscheauchnochwahrnehm*

    *michzuweiterenaufräumaktionengenötigtfühl*

    ...und weiter geht's :-)
    #251Author suziq (315879) 27 Dec 08, 15:34
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    suziq: Danke für die Auskunft ;-) (so ganz ahnungslos bin ich aber auch wieder nicht *g*).
    Hacken ... Fön? Ich sag's ja, im Sommer macht man das!

    Ich glaube, ich muss jetzt ausloggen. Ich kriege sonst ein schlechtes Gewissen, wenn ich weiter von solchen Aufräumaktionen höre.
    #252Author SD3 (451227) 27 Dec 08, 15:59
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    @SD3
    My friend saw this (German) book, I guess, in the catalogue of her book club and thought that I might like it.

    @suziq
    Thanks, I had a somewhat long cable (6-gear), obviously, re Buchstabensuppe
    #253Author Goldammer (428405) 27 Dec 08, 16:28
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    ...@SD3
    I have never heard "Buchstabensuppe" used in this figurative sense.

    #254Author Goldammer (428405) 27 Dec 08, 16:49
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    @SD3 - Es mag sein, dass es im Sommer schneller geht...aber wohin mit den ganzen Sachen? Jetzt konnten wir die überlebenden Stücke auf der Terasse auslagern, aber das wäre im Sommer ein wenig riskant ;-) *geplatztetupperschüsselhinterhertrauer*
    #255Author suziq (315879) 27 Dec 08, 17:59
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    @suziq
    *geplatztertupperschüssel(hinterher)nachtrauer*

    I am - no idea why - in a low and gloomy mood today,[6-gear] "built close to the water" [6-gear off] (does any expression for that state exist in English?)
    pääh..
    #256Author Goldammer (428405) 27 Dec 08, 18:39
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    I always put the frozen things in bed and cover them with a thick duvet. Insulation works in both ways! :-)
    #257Author bluesky (236159) 27 Dec 08, 18:42
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    *waving some good mood to Goldammer*

    What´s wrong, Goldammer? Really no idea? Did you have a nice Christmas?

    *waving at bluesky and suziq, too*

    I always put the frozen things in bed and cover them with a thick duvet.
    Are you talking about my feet, bluesky? ;-)
    #258Author candice (447114) 27 Dec 08, 18:51
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    bluesky, a cold turkey in bed ,okay but not a frozen one! (o:
    #259Author Steve53 (329426) 27 Dec 08, 19:30
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    When I told my doctor that I always have cold feet, he said when he has cold feet he always puts them under his wifes blanket. I said that it would be okay with me, when does it fit his wife?
    #260Author Steve53 (329426) 27 Dec 08, 19:35
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    hi bluesky, candice and Goldammer (F5) and Steve!

    @bluesky - certainly suziq will appreciate playing selected scenes of ice age part 1 in her bed.
    @candice - maybe your feet are cold but they cannot be as ancient as the ice I discovered these days ;-) . Success is measured in litres of mined ice from now on, and doubtless global warming is concerned.
    @Goldammer - poor bird! (hopefully here is no hidden meaning included..., I just want to pity you). I feel rather different today!

    @all - I'm so glad that she's my little gihirl! I'm so glad, I'm telling all the world *hum*repeatadlib*
    #261Author Wrdlbrmpfd (327914) 27 Dec 08, 19:36
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    no, really no idea, candice. I guess my hormones playing tricks. It'll go away. Christmas was really nice and relaxed.

    @wrdlbrmpfd
    Ach, du bist herzig!
    #262Author Goldammer (428405) 27 Dec 08, 19:40
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    @suziq: Wohin mit den Sachen aus dem Kühlschrank? Mein Vorschlag wäre aufessen. Andererseits gehöre ich nicht zu denen, die - wie war der Fachausdruck wieder? - Brontoburger auf Lager haben. *g* Ist schon gut, ich hisse die weiße Fahne! Jeder soll den Kühlschrank zu einer ihm passenden Jahreszeit abtauen, wenn überhaupt. Das ist natürlich auch eine Alternative, ein selbstabtauender - frost-free!!!! - Kühlschrank.
    http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=product...

    bluesky: Mit ins Bett nehmen? *g*

    @Goldammer    : Dass "Buchstabensuppe" möglicherweise nicht im übertragenen Sinn verwendet wird, ist zwar enttäuschend aber keine große Überraschung. Eine solche terminologische Lücke bietet aber die Gelegenheit zur Kreativität. Wenn sich die CC192-Teilnehmer auf eine angemessene Übersetzung einigen könnten, wäre es möglich im Kollektiv sozusagen einen neuen LEO-Eintrag einzustellen.

    Wer sich für eine solche Aktion interessiert, findet hier noch einige Informationen (Erklärungen, Beispiele usw.) zum englischen alphabet soup:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_soup

    Main Entry: alphabet soup Function: noun Date: 1934 : a hodgepodge especially of initials (as of the names of organizations) http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alp...

    Our email address isn't just a silly load of alphabet soup and squiggles, either. No, it's ouch@bbc.co.uk. Drop us a line.http://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/about.shtml

    Hallo wrdl, Steve und candice.
    #263Author SD3 (451227) 27 Dec 08, 19:48
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    Hi y'all!

    SD3, I also don't know Buchstabensuppe in a figurative sense. This would be Buchstabensalat.
    #264Author neutrino (17998) 27 Dec 08, 19:49
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    Hi neutrino (and SD3, Goldammer and wrdl - He buys her diamond rings, you know,
    She said so.     - Did you??? ;o))

    Neutrino! *slapping forehead* I was racking my brains all the time because I thought there was something like "Buchstabensuppe", but it was "Buchstabensalat", of course!
    #265Author candice (447114) 27 Dec 08, 20:01
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    @Goldy
    I know that.
    I usually growl at my family until they flee and I have the saloon and the kitchen (and at best even the rest of the house) completely for myself. Then I turn on TV and laptop, eat loads of chocolate and give myself a few hours.
    You could also flee yourself and hide at your friends house or pay a visit to your horse (if you got one) and tell him how crap everything is.
    Or you could simply pull yourself together, but this doesn't really hepl, it just delays everything for a few hours.

    Hey neutrino, SD3, wrdl and wrdl's girl;-)
    #266Author Snowflake (260254) 27 Dec 08, 20:03
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    @goldammer: Ich kenne das Traurigsein zwischen den Jahren (aus anderen Jahren)...allerdings könnte es auch Hormonen sein - auf jeden Fall wünsche ich dir bessere Laune :-D Weißt du was? Ich hatte das blöde "r", das du mir hinterher geschmissen hattest, erst hingeschrieben und dann gelöscht :-(

    Wieso gibt es immer so ein Mist samstags im TV? Heute Abend gibt es eine doppelte Mistladung!! (mit Weihnachtsbonus wahrscheinlich) - achso stimmt ja - ich kann Ice Age im Bett schauen ;-)
    #267Author suziq (315879) 27 Dec 08, 20:04
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    @wrdlbrmpfd - would you recommend defrosting freezers as a means of getting into a romantic mood? Can I send candice-man?
    #268Author candice (447114) 27 Dec 08, 20:07
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    *lookingforsomethingtocheerupgoldammer*

    Here a *6g* farmers rule: "When snow falls on Sylvester, the New Year isn't far!"

    Hi all you snails out there, on and in your icy friggies!
    Christmas has been quite comfy this year. I managed to eat not too much.
    On 22. and 23. I wood worked with the kids at the Christmas fair.
    We had lots of fun and the kids have been very enthusiastic.

    *Bauernregel: Wenn es zu Silvester schneit, ist das neue jahr nicht weit*
    #269Author Steve53 (329426) 27 Dec 08, 20:12
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    Hi suziq! What about the diamond rings? (#265)

    You are sooooo right about Saturday night TV programs. I often wonder if they do that on purpose, knowing that I usually only have time to watch TV on Saturday night. On the other hand, there is one great film after the other on December 24 or 31 - when I would never even think of watching TV...
    #270Author candice (447114) 27 Dec 08, 20:13
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    @candice und neutrino: Buchstabensalat entspricht alphabet soup, meint ihr? Also bei Texten, die voller Abkürzungen (insbesondere acronyms) sind? Folgendes ist m.E. ein Beispiel für alphabet soup:

    The SVVP completion and SVVPR should be accomplished prior to the PDR. A UDR may be held independently of other reviews or in conjunction with the PDR and the CDR (a UDR is not an ANSI/ICCC Std 730-1984 requirement).

    Würde man so etwas als Buchstabensalat bezeichnen?

    @Goldammer: Hast du vielleicht in den letzten Tagen zu viel auf dich genommen? Lass dich ein bisschen verwöhnen!
    #271Author SD3 (451227) 27 Dec 08, 20:28
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    Isn't Buchstabenslata when you mix up letters?
    #272Author Snowflake (260254) 27 Dec 08, 20:30
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    candice, it's not only on Saturdays. We receive dozens of programmes via satellite and either there is crap on every station or there are several nice movies, reportages (?), etc. shown at the same time on different stations.
    #273Author neutrino (17998) 27 Dec 08, 20:33
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    snowflake, yes, also this
    #274Author neutrino (17998) 27 Dec 08, 20:39
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    @candice and neutrino

    Try MTV, there's almost always somthing entertaining on MTV.
    Or try youtube, if you're lucky there are whole movies on there.
    Or get some friends with ahige Dvd collection who don't bothere being called at 10:30pm and only rewarded companionship and a bag of popcorn ;-)
    #275Author Snowflake (260254) 27 Dec 08, 20:57
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    @Snowflake
    I can't wait for next week to come then :o)))...YAY!!!!!!!! Got myself an ipod (ifail?) touch today and i really like it...Epic little companion :) Allthough I really hate itunes xD It took me 2 hours to get that damn thing syncing! LOL.
    #276AuthorFlo_123 (467740) 27 Dec 08, 21:05
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    The stupid thing with Itunes is, that they're mot mp3, they're m4a which can't be read by most mp3 players and probbly can't be converted (at least I haven't found a programme that could.)
    I've got Itunes as an additional programme that runs most of the music I inherited from relatives.


    Looking forward to having the house all to myself for the next three days :D
    #277Author Snowflake (260254) 27 Dec 08, 21:25
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    Modern fridges shouldn't need to be defreezed. There's something special in the refrigerator machine which makes that unnecessary, but that doesn't work in freezers. Best way to defreeze: take some pots, fill them with water and heat them until nearly boiling; put them into the freezer (on trivets, of course!), close the lid and wait for 15 - 20 minutes. Then the ice can easily be removed.

    Always those Flocken!
    #278Author bluesky (236159) 27 Dec 08, 21:55
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    Well, I watched "Wilsberg" on TV - quite "leerhirnige" story, just right for me tonight.

    Thanks everybody. It's really not as bad as I sounded. Maybe suziq is right and it's just the ordinary post-Christmas tristesse.

    @suziq: diesmal vertausch ich dir ein blödes n:

    ...könnten es auch Hormone(n) sein...
    #279Author Goldammer (428405) 27 Dec 08, 22:04
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    *StrugglingwiththeGermanmap*

    @bluesky
    I, of course, would never ever do such things *polishinghalo* ;-)
    #280Author Snowflake (260254) 27 Dec 08, 22:13
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    Could it be that NDS is a shortform for a German Bundesland? Like NW for Canton Nidwalden?
    #281Author Snowflake (260254) 27 Dec 08, 22:25
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    Niedersachsen. The one with the jumping horse in the emblem.
    #282Author bluesky (236159) 27 Dec 08, 22:27
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    Thank you.
    Do they have public transport or do I need to bring along my own horse and carriage and boat ;-)?

    I'm just trying to find a way to get there, but there are no ways available... strange. Maybe there's a server error.
    #283Author Snowflake (260254) 27 Dec 08, 22:33
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    You can either use public transport (search for Hannover, which is the capital of Lower Saxonia) or your own horse
    #284Author bluesky (236159) 27 Dec 08, 22:57
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    Thank you... *sigh* my knowledge of German Geographie and regional specialities is still not as usable as I needed it to be.
    I got to google every second city or so.
    #285Author Snowflake (260254) 27 Dec 08, 23:41
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    Flöckchen, no need to worry. I have the same problem with Swiss cities.

    Btw, it is Lower Saxony.

    #286Author neutrino (17998) 27 Dec 08, 23:55
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    But there are somehow fewer cities in Switzerland...
    And you can easily categorize them, French name-> Welschland, Rumantsch name -> Chur and surrounding area Italian name -> Southern Switzerland German name -> Rest
    #287Author Snowflake (260254) 28 Dec 08, 00:16
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    But it is still not so easy in Switzerland. I once read that in the fifties or early sixties a newspaper in the US wrote an article about Switzerland and the three major languages German, French and Italian which could be easiyl seen by the names of a city which in German is Luzern, in French Lausanne and in Italian Lugano, but it is one and the same city ... at least according to the mentioned article.
    #288Author neutrino (17998) 28 Dec 08, 00:23
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    *lol*
    #289Author Snowflake (260254) 28 Dec 08, 00:32
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    I think with Snowy and Particle being clearly the most active members of this CC, it's one of them who will have to bäschtel, do you agree??? ;-)

    Good morning, btw - where are the other rightpondie early birds?

    This morning, something very nice happened. Our long lost tomcat Tom came home for breakfast! I think I told you that our tomcat brothers had moved out some time in early summer. We knew that they were ok because they regularly visited a neighbour to receive their "stroke units" (6-gear) there. Leo returned home when it got cold, but Tom didn't - until today. I gave him some really nice Christmas food (Sheba...), and he ate it and has settled in the kitchen now. Maybe The Great Cat Feeder (we never found out who fed them all those months) has gone skiing or something!
    #290Author Goldammer (428405) 28 Dec 08, 08:38
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    Good Morning Goldammer!

    No, I don't agree. We work hard to keep this thread running and alive and then shall be responsible to work even more and bäschtel new premises?? You know, lawyers are such a strange folk, we do not have any phantasy at all which would enable us to be creative enough to duly illustrate the Hochlichter.

    *searchingforexcuses* ... and I am sick ... at least I am feeling so ...
    #291Author neutrino (17998) 28 Dec 08, 08:44
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    @steve
    I'm happy to hear you had comfy christmas and that you had been able to keep your slim silhouette. We had the children with us so I had to prove my abilities as gulo gulo (gourmand) once more ;-( .
    (Whoa, just have written "slime" instead of "slim"! *shudder*).
    I like "*6g*" !

    @candice
    Diamond rings, diamond shmings. Diamonds on the soles of her shoes would fit her even more but she still believes I am just a poor boy.
    As for romantic moods: kick out the children, kill the dog, gag the cat and scare the neighbours away. Enjoy how quiet it is. Keep on enjoying. Kill silence by playing a favourite CD quite loud and start working together on just something.
    When the last song of the CD is played and the work is done it's all quiet again. Cannot imagine a man NOT getting romantic now! :-)

    @Goldammer
    good morning - enjoy your cat's appetite. And what's "herzig" in English?
    #292Author Wrdlbrmpfd (327914) 28 Dec 08, 11:32
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    @flöckli: ich stelle mir vor, wie du "pistol revolving" im Saloon (Dictionary: saloon) stehst - vielleicht brauchst du dann dein Pferd ;-)

    @candice - ich bin ja bescheiden ;-) - Eisscherben sehen zumindest kurzfristig wie Diamanten aus ;-) (Sie liegen noch auf der Terasse)
    #293Author suziq (315879) 28 Dec 08, 12:21
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    OK...ich übernehme das Häuslebauen...nur Geduld bitte :-)
    #294Author suziq (315879) 28 Dec 08, 12:28
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    ...und fertig!!!

    Hierhin bitte:
    related discussion: Crossover Chat 193
    #295Author suziq (315879) 28 Dec 08, 13:41
     
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