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    Läuft. Zwar rückwärts und...

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    Läuft. Zwar rückwärts und...

    [phrase]
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    Spruch:
    Läuft.
    Zwar rückwärts und bergab
    aber läuft.
    Comment
    Ich arbeite in einem Laden der diesen Spruch verkauft und werde von Touristen oft gefragt was er bedeutet. Ich umschreibe es dann immer mit sowas wie:

    (Life) goes on even if it's backward and downhill, but it goes on.

    Das klingt für mich aber sehr holprig.
    Gibt es da vielleicht eine etwas griffigere Übersetzung?
    Es geht mir mehr um eine sinngemäße und keine wortwörtliche Übersetzung.

    Vielen lieben Dank!
    Author Lanni (1131571) 12 Dec 16, 02:55
    SuggestionRegardless of how it goes down, life goes on.
    Sources
    English quote from Rick Ross...
    Comment
    "(Life) goes on even if it's backward and downhill, but it goes on." Eigentlich finde ich das okay.

    Vielleicht besser wäre: "Life goes on: even if backwards and downwards - it goes on."
    #1Author srw70 (1169282) 12 Dec 16, 04:24
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    Maybe this:

    Life goes on--backwards or downwards, but it doesn't stop.
    #2AuthorHappyWarrior (964133) 12 Dec 16, 04:32
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    Ich finde deine Übersetzung nicht so schlecht, weil die Ironie erhalten bleibt.
    Du kannst ja noch dazusagen, dass "läuft bei mir" kürzlich ein Jugendwort des Jahres war. :-)
    #3Author tigger (236106) 12 Dec 16, 08:56
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    dass "läuft bei mir" kürzlich ein Jugendwort des Jahres war. - wie wurde das eigentlich übersetzt ?
    #4Author no me bré (700807) 12 Dec 16, 11:40
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    Ich habe das eigentlich als kurz für "läuft super" verstanden, nicht einfach als "life goes on".

    Entsprechend vllt eher mit "Everything's going swimmingly - like the Titanic after hitting the iceberg, but still ..."

    Das Titanic-Bild ist vielleicht noch ein bisschen krass, vielleicht fällt jemand noch was besseres ein.
    #5Author Spinatwachtel (341764) 12 Dec 16, 11:49
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    Vielen Dank für die guten Tipps.
    Hilft schonmal sehr!
    Ich habe eben auch die Schwierigkeit das "Läuft" zu definieren.
    1. alles ist gut/prima?
    2. das Leben geht weiter?
    3. der monentane Status ist ok?
    4. die Gesamtsituation ist zufriedenstellend?
    #6Author Lanni (1131571) 16 Dec 16, 13:21
    SuggestionLife goes on – even if it is in reverse or downhill, but it's running.
    Comment
    Is closer to the original and with more of a sense of chaos instead of the depressing “backwards and downwards”, if so intended.
    #7Author Alan (De/US) (236282) 16 Dec 16, 14:28
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    Up and running - backwards and down hill - but definitely running.
    Up and running - in reverse and down the hill - but definitely running.


    #8Author wor (335727) 16 Dec 16, 15:22
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    Up and running - backwards and down hill - but definitely running.

    is much better than you second suggestion IMO, which conjures up a picture of an out-of-control car. :-)
    #9Authormikefm (760309) 16 Dec 16, 18:51
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    it's going - backwards and downhill, but it's going.

    I'd probably say. I'm not aware that life is running. The question could have been, "How's (your) life? Or "how's life going for you?"
    The answer could easily be, "It's going ..."

    Or do BE speakers ask, "How's life running for you?", and answer, "Life's running fine"?
    #10Author dude (253248) 16 Dec 16, 18:57
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    The problem with "downhill" is that in AE that is a good thing. That's why, IMO, "downwards" is better. (#2)
    #11AuthorHappyWarrior (964133) 16 Dec 16, 19:54
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    HW's post surprises me.
    Oxford online:

    downhill
    adverb
    Pronunciation: /daʊnˈhɪl/
    1Towards the bottom of a slope:‘he ran downhill’‘

    1.1Into a steadily worsening situation:‘her marriage continued to slide downhill’‘the business is going downhill fast’ More example sentences

    1.3Without difficulty or challenge:
    ‘we can take the easy road, the downhill road, or we can put America on the path to greatness again’

    but that does tend to support his AE-usage mention

    I think, figuratively "downhill" will always be negative in BE?  
    #12Authormikefm (760309) 16 Dec 16, 20:08
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    Hi, Mike.

    In AE, uphill is hard, downhill is easy (easier).
    #13AuthorHappyWarrior (964133) 16 Dec 16, 20:19
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    I don't agree with HW at all. "Downhill" can very well be a negative thing, especially in terms of someone's life. "It's been all downhill with him ever since his wife died / since his accident" is not something I would understand to have a positive meaning. I don't know were HW gets that idea of "downhill" always being positive.

    Edit: just checked M-W:
    2:   toward a worsened or inferior state or level —used especially in the phrase go downhill

    Edit 2: Here's Macmillan's take:
    to get worse
    This area’s been going downhill for years
    #14Author dude (253248) 16 Dec 16, 20:31
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    I have now wasted half an hour trying to get my computer to copy and paste from M-W, which defines (and gives examples for) "downhill" as meaning being easy or easier. (Someone will need to do the copy/paste thing for me today.)

    Of course it can also mean a negative. In ## 11 and 13, I didn't mean to say that downhill always means easy or easier--but clearly it often does mean easy or easier. Hence my suggestion for "downwards," which avoids any ambiguity.
    #15AuthorHappyWarrior (964133) 16 Dec 16, 21:46
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    I suspect the point is that both in AE and BE, figuratively it is negative
    #16Authormikefm (760309) 16 Dec 16, 21:49
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    Yes, it can be negative in AE, but why not use the unambiguous "downwards"?
    #17AuthorHappyWarrior (964133) 16 Dec 16, 21:51
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    re #15 : is it this ? (from the link in #14) :

    3 downhill play
    adjective down·hill \-ˌhil\
    Definition of downhill for English Language Learners
        : going or sloping down toward the bottom of a hill or mountain
        : not difficult : easy to do, deal with, etc.
        : becoming worse or less successful

     downhill play
    adjective down·hill \-ˌhil\
    Definition of downhill
        1     :  not difficult :  easy -after that problem the rest was downhill-
        2     :  sloping downhill
        3     :  closer to the bottom of an incline -your downhill ski-
        4     :  progressively worse
    #18Author no me bré (700807) 16 Dec 16, 21:52
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    OT: "Das Leben ist wie eine Lawine. Mal geht es hinunter, mal auch wieder hinauf." (Graf Bobby)
    #19Author mbshu (874725) 16 Dec 16, 21:57
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    Thanks, no me bre. Yes, what you have provided there is part of what I had hoped to include in my post--but there are also some good "examples" shown after the part you have provided. (Anyone interested can see the examples in the link in #14.)
    #20AuthorHappyWarrior (964133) 16 Dec 16, 21:58
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    You're talking out of two sides of your mouth now, HW (is that your lawyer training showing?) because in #11 you say, "The problem with "downhill" is that in AE that is a good thing." Then, in #15 and after having been shown that it can also have a negative connotation, you suddenly say, "Of course it can also mean a negative." Well, which is it? Yes? No? Maybe? Maybe both?

    Plus, I don't think "downhill" is ambiguous in the OP's context; not at all. So to me, there's no need to use your "unambiguous downward." In fact, I find "downhill" a better choice in the OP's context that "unambiguous." Or should I say, a colloquially more idiomatic choice.
    #21Author dude (253248) 16 Dec 16, 22:02
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    re #20 ... here we go :

    Examples of downhill in a sentence
        The second half of the hike is mostly downhill.
        The worst part is over. It's all downhill from here.
        The first part of the movie was pretty good, but after that it was all downhill.
        His career has been all downhill in recent years.

    ... and ... there's another link to :

     1 downhill /ˌdaʊnˈhɪl/ adverb
    Learner's definition of DOWNHILL
    1 : toward the bottom of a hill or mountain
        It is easier to ride a bike downhill than uphill.
    2  : toward a worse state
        Her career/health is heading downhill.
        After his divorce, he went downhill fast.
        The service has gone downhill under the new owner.
    2 downhill /ˈdaʊnˌhɪl/ adjective
    Learner's definition of DOWNHILL
    1  : going or sloping down toward the bottom of a hill or mountain
        The second half of the hike is mostly downhill.
        a downhill path/slope
    2  not used before a noun
    a  : not difficult : easy to do, deal with, etc.
        The worst part is over. It's all downhill from here.
    b  : becoming worse or less successful
        The first part of the movie was pretty good, but after that it was all downhill.
        His career has been all downhill in recent years.
    3  always used before a noun : relating to or used in a kind of skiing that is done down a mountain or hill instead of over the countryside
        I enjoy downhill skiing.
        a downhill skier/competition
        downhill skis
    — compare 1cross-country 3
    3 downhill /ˈdaʊnˌhɪl/ noun
    plural downhills
    Learner's definition of DOWNHILL
    [count]
    : a downhill skiing race — usually singular
        He finished first in the downhill.
    #22Author no me bré (700807) 16 Dec 16, 22:04
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    Re #21. Which is it? I just answered that question in #15.

    And I say that downwards is the better choice.
    #23AuthorHappyWarrior (964133) 16 Dec 16, 22:05
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    Gee, what does that prove now? That is why I personally get very frustrated "discussing" things with you at times; you tend to always have an excuse for your point of view, even if you were proven wrong.
    #24Author dude (253248) 16 Dec 16, 22:06
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    Re #22.

    Thanks again, no me bre.
    #25AuthorHappyWarrior (964133) 16 Dec 16, 22:07
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    Edit: it's usually also the reason I don't post anything after you've had your say (this obviously being the rare exception tense days).
    #26Author dude (253248) 16 Dec 16, 22:08
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    I was not proven wrong--indeed, proven right. The word "downhill" has both meanings. Or are you one of those extremely rare people who can write but cannot read?
    #27AuthorHappyWarrior (964133) 16 Dec 16, 22:08
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    Fuck you, HappyWarrior! Twist this any way you want to - it's what you do best. You won't see me on here again. 
    #28Author dude (253248) 16 Dec 16, 22:11
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    Merry Christmas to you.

    PS
    Twisting what? The definitions and examples of Merriam-Webster?
    #29AuthorHappyWarrior (964133) 16 Dec 16, 22:23
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    #22: tends to confirm the not unimportant point I made in #19 - figuratively downhill is negative (in BE at least), in many contexts obviously not.  
    #30Authormikefm (760309) 16 Dec 16, 22:39
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    Möchte nur kurz zur Diskussion beisteuern, dass ich - kurz nach der Lektüre dieses Fadens - zufällig gerade von "downward action" in negativer Konnotation gelesen habe, nämlich in einem Geleitwort zu "The Sport of the Gods" von Paul Laurence Dunbar. Es geht dabei um den moralischen Verfall schwarzer Migranten, die sich um 1900 in New York niederlassen.
    #31Author maxxpf (361343) 09 Feb 17, 08:21
     
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