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    Gewalt ist keine Lösung, wenn man nur drüber redet

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    Gewalt ist keine Lösung, wenn man nur drüber redet

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    Violence is no (not a?) solution, if you are only talking about it?
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    Ich steh grad auf dem Schlauch ...
    Author B.L.Z. Bubb (601295) 15 Feb 17, 15:50
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    violence is not a solution if you only talk about it.
    #1AuthorKai (236222) 15 Feb 17, 15:52
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    Violence is not a solution. If only you could talk about it.

    I'd say it needs to be two sentences. It appears to me to not be the best of sentences in the original German, and perhaps a transcription of spoken German, but I'll leave that for the native speakers to decide. It seems to imply that violence IS a solution if you don't talk about things.
    #2AuthorSP (UK) (792698) 15 Feb 17, 15:58
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    SP, nein. Im Gegenteil.
    Der Spruch soll andeuten, dass Gewalt sehr wohl ein Lösung ist; vorausgesetzt, man redet nicht nur über Gewalt, sondern wird auch gewalttätig.
    #3Author rufus (de) (398798) 15 Feb 17, 16:05
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    Genau wie rufus es sagt ;-)

    Gewalt ist nur eine Lösung, wenn man sie auch einsetzt ;-)
    #4Author B.L.Z. Bubb (601295) 15 Feb 17, 16:07
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    I wonder if 'Violence is not the answer' might not be more familiar as the original saying.
    #5Author hm -- us (236141) 15 Feb 17, 16:22
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    Also "Violence is not the answer if you only talk about it?"
    #6Author rufus (de) (398798) 15 Feb 17, 16:27
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    The sentence is tricky. IMO what may be implied here is:
    Violence is not the answer, but will be if you only talk about it.
    That is, violence will happen if no actual precautions are taken.
    #7Author Alan (De/US) (236282) 15 Feb 17, 16:28
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    No, the message is different to "violence is not the answer", and neither does it mean what Alan thinks in 7.

    The meaning is "Violence is only a solution if you do apply it (and not just utter threatening remarks)" ;-)

    So perhaps

    violence is not a solution if you keep just talking about it

    Doesn't have the same ring, though
    #8Author B.L.Z. Bubb (601295) 15 Feb 17, 16:32
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    Is there a reason why you don't like #1? Just asking.
    #9AuthorKai (236222) 15 Feb 17, 16:33
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    #9: wenn dann: 'just keep' (nicht: keep just)

    Schon alles ironisch, gell, daher die Missverständnisse.... ;-)

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    Edit: Ich hätte es auch wie Kai in #1 übersetzt.
    #10AuthorBraunbärin (757733) 15 Feb 17, 16:34
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    9: Weil sogar der Vorschlag (der mir ja auch gefällt) anscheinend missverstanden wurde.

    Und das "just" hab ich mit Absicht dahin gesetzt, um es direkt auf "talk" zu beziehen ...
    #11Author B.L.Z. Bubb (601295) 15 Feb 17, 16:37
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    Bubb, ich würde in die Übersetzung in den ersten Teil aber durchaus den "Originalspruch" "Violence is not the answer" übernehmen. Das sitzt bei den englischen Muttersprachlern so im Ohr wie bei Deutschen "Gewalt ist keine Lösung". Und dann wie in #1 oder #6 vorgeschlagen weitermachen.


    #12Author rufus (de) (398798) 15 Feb 17, 16:38
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    Yes, #6 would be the black-humor version, and #12 is the explanation for why.
    #13Author hm -- us (236141) 15 Feb 17, 16:46
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    @12 Rufus

    Your comment in #12 seems to contradict what you said to me in #3, which was that violence is only a solution if you are able and willing to carry out threats of violence (and by implication that the person probably should stop talking, i.e. issuing empty threats, and get on with the job...)

    "Violence is not the answer/solution", as you wrote on #12, is a plea for a non-violent solution.
    #14AuthorSP (UK) (792698) 15 Feb 17, 16:52
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    One more tweak:
    Violence will not be the answer if you just keep talking about it.
    #15Author Alan (De/US) (236282) 15 Feb 17, 16:57
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    SP, das gleiche gilt für "Gewalt ist (doch) keine Lösung" - auch das ist ein Aufruf, Gewalt zu vermeiden. Den ironischen Dreh bekommt es erst durch "wenn man nur drüber redet".
    #16Author B.L.Z. Bubb (601295) 15 Feb 17, 16:58
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    SP, darum habe ich noch geschrieben "Erst den Spruch "Violence..."... und dann mit 1 oder 6 weiterzumachen."
    Violence is not the answer  - if you only talk about it.

    Tut mir leid, wenn ich mich missverständlich ausgedrückt habe.

    #17Author rufus (de) (398798) 15 Feb 17, 16:59
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    'If you just keep talking about it' doesn't really work for me, because 'just' in that sense normally means '... wenn du doch nur darüber redest' -- that is, a genuine plea to talk more.

    Even 'If you only talk about it' is subject to that reading, though to my ears less so. To be absolutely unambiguous, you might have to sacrifice a little brevity and say

    Violence is not the answer
    if all you do is talk about it.

    #18Author hm -- us (236141) 15 Feb 17, 17:13
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    I don't see how "if you only talk about it" can be misunderstood in the OP's context.
    #19AuthorKai (236222) 15 Feb 17, 17:28
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    I agree that that's unlikely, as I said.
    #20Author hm -- us (236141) 15 Feb 17, 17:31
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    Even if "if you only talk about it" is not very likely to be misunderstood, I find the solution given by hm -- us in #18 flows better:

    Violence is not the answer
    if all you do is talk about it.
    #21Author penguin (236245) 15 Feb 17, 17:54
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    e.g. Violence does not achieve anything if / as long as it simply remains a/the topic of conversation.
    #22Authornoli (489500) 15 Feb 17, 18:02
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    Ich trau mich zwar fast nicht, nachdem sich hier schon so viele Muttersprachler nicht einig sind, aber was soll's ;-)

    "Violence solves no problems, as long as you're only talking about it."
    #23Author Sachs (638558) 15 Feb 17, 18:34
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    Mir gefällt #18 auch.

    Sachs' würde ich ins Präsent setzen:

    Violence doesn't solve any problems as long as you only talk about it.
    #24Author Gibson (418762) 15 Feb 17, 18:47
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    Simply as a subject of discussion, violence solves nothing.

    n.b is this a call to arms (of sorts)? sounds like an ISIS motto...
    #25Authornoli (489500) 15 Feb 17, 19:09
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    Wie wäre es mit

    violence won't solve any problems, as long ...?
    #26Author B.L.Z. Bubb (601295) 15 Feb 17, 19:37
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    Violence is not a solution if all you do is talk about it
    #27Author Bennett (395232) 15 Feb 17, 19:59
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    My apologies, I see pengiun already suggested the second half of my suggestion in 21, and hm--us in 18.
    #28Author Bennett (395232) 15 Feb 17, 20:00
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    I like that!

    Ta muchly to all of you ;-)
    #29Author B.L.Z. Bubb (601295) 15 Feb 17, 20:02
     
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