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    Widerstand ist zwecklos

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    div. Krimis und Kriegsfilme (s. u.)

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    Eine offenbar seltener werdende Phrase nicht nur aus dem Genre von Kriminal-Literatur und -Filmen, sondern, wenigstens früher, auch in der außerliterarischen Realität. (Ich glaube mich sogar erinnern zu können, diesen Satz im Fernseh-Bericht über die Verhaftung von Baader - Meins - Raspe gehört zu haben, wohl aus einem Polizei-Lautsprecher.)

    Im Deutschen also eine - wiederum: wenigstens früher - fixe Formel, die verwendet wurde, wenn überlegene Kräfte (sei's Polizei, sei's das Militär) unterlegene (seien es Verbrecher, seien es die feindlichen Truppen) zur Aufgabe / Kapitulation überredet werden sollten.

    Gibt oder gab es im Englischen eine ähnlich fixe Formulierung?

    Bei Leo habe ich nix Einschlägiges gefunden; sonstiges Gegoogle brachte sowohl resistance is useless wie auch [any] resistance is futile hervor, beides aber im Kontext von Übersetzungen deutscher Ausgangstexte...

    Author late bird (666148)  07 Mar 23, 14:55
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    Resistance in futile - is the line from Star Trek.

    #1AuthorAE procrastinator (1268904) 07 Mar 23, 15:01
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    +1

    #2Author B.L.Z. Bubb (601295) 07 Mar 23, 15:01
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    Re 1 - I should add, "resistance is futile" goes back much further than Star Trek, it was in use in English at least from the mid-1800s

    #3AuthorAE procrastinator (1268904) 07 Mar 23, 15:06
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_Is_Futile


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    And here's a Wikipedia page of examples of it in use in the English-speaking world



    #4Author papousek (343122) 07 Mar 23, 15:53
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    Resistance Is Futile | Tropedia | Fandom


    • The Master, in "The Deadly Assassin": "Resistance is futile".
    • A Dalek, in "Revelation of the Daleks": "IT IS FUTILE TO RE-SIST". These happen to be its last words.
    • A Cyberman, in "The Tomb of the Cybermen": "TO STRUGGLE IS FUTILE."
    • "Resistance is Useless" was a favorite phrase of the Cybermen in their first two stories, "The Tenth Planet" and "The Moonbase." Which actually makes them technically the trope namer (1965), however the phrase is more commonly associated with the Borg.
    • The Borg themselves actually derive some of their characteristics from the Cybermen. The original episode featuring the Borg was "Q Who".
    • Noah, the human-turned-Wirrn in "The Ark in Space": "Your resistance is useless."
    • An Eternal in "Enlightenment": "Resistance is futile". He was very friendly about it, though.
    • A Dalek, in "The Stolen Earth": "RESISTANCE IS USELESS."
    • Played with in "The God Complex": One of the mottos of Tivoli, the Most Conquered Planet in the Galaxy, is "Resistance is exhausting."


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    I immediately associated "resistance is futile" with Dr Who and the link above appears to confirm that it and variants made several appearances. The link also provides other sources.

    #5Author FernSchreiber (1341928) 07 Mar 23, 16:03
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    FWIW, https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content... zeigt eine erstmalige Verwendung von "resistance is futile" um 1838 ...

    #6Author no me bré (700807) 07 Mar 23, 16:57
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    #6 Doctor Who was around back then. After all, he is a Time Lord. 🙂

    #7Author FernSchreiber (1341928) 07 Mar 23, 16:59
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    I've never watched it, but isn't he a she at the moment?

    #8Author Gibson (418762) 07 Mar 23, 17:14
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    Zumindest wurde Dr Who für einige Staffeln von Jodie Whitaker gespielt, ja. Die war/ist klasse.

    #9Author B.L.Z. Bubb (601295) 07 Mar 23, 17:18
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    Ich nehme mal an, dass sie trotzdem ein Time Lord ist, oder? Time Lady klingt eher bescheiden ;-)

    #10Author Gibson (418762) 07 Mar 23, 17:21
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    Hab ich ehrlich gesagt nicht drauf geachtet.

    #11Author B.L.Z. Bubb (601295) 07 Mar 23, 17:23
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    #10 - Time Lady! That took me back. When I was a kid, you could call 853 1212 to hear a recorded voice tell the time: "At the tone the time will be: xx:yy and zz seconds." *beeeeep!* The voice sounded female, and we called her The Time Lady.

    #12Author Janette B. (1227601) 07 Mar 23, 17:45
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    Filmtitel und Zitate aus Science-Fiction-Produktionen finde ich wenig überzeugend. Die spiegeln nicht unbedingt den tatsächlichen Sprachgebrauch wieder. Da kann eine Phrase wie "Die Macht sei mit dir!" weltberühmt werden, ohne dass sie jemand im realen Leben oder in Polizei- und Militärfilmen, die sich daran orientieren, gebraucht.

    #13AuthorRominara (1294573)  07 Mar 23, 20:47
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    Für #13 eine kleine Rechtschreibkorrektur:

    spiegeln ... wider (nicht: spiegeln ... wieder)

    Widerstand, widerspiegeln. ... :)


    #14AuthorSeltene Erde (1378604)  07 Mar 23, 21:16
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    DANKESCHÖN / MANY, MANY THANKS!

    #15Author late bird (666148) 07 Mar 23, 21:55
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    Rominara does have a point... I'm finding it very difficult to imagine a US police officer calling out "Resitance is futile!" in real life or in even in a tv crime drama. They'd say something like "We have you surrounded, lay down your weapons and come out with your hands up..." etc., etc.

    But one of google's book hits is a passage about leaflet raids by the US military on Japan in WWII, which quotes one of them as saying "Your resistance is futile. Lay down your arms." So at least one military use is attested ; )


    #16AuthorAE procrastinator (1268904) 08 Mar 23, 10:56
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    "Resistance is useless!" bellowed the guard.

    [...]

    "Oh give it a rest," said Ford.


    Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy (1979)

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    Erstaunlich, dass dieses Kultbuch hier noch nicht zitiert wurde.

    #17Author Cro-Mignon (751134)  08 Mar 23, 11:23
     
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