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    Unterschied sporty - sportive?

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    Unterschied sporty - sportive?

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    Gibt es einen semantischen Unterschied zwischen sporty und sportive?

    Speziell interessiert mich, inwiefern man die beiden Ausdrücke auf Gegenstände anwenden kann:

    zB "ein sportliches Auto"
    "ein sportliches Outfit"
    Authormic31 Mar 05, 11:41
    Context/ examples
    "sportliches Auto" "sportive car"

    "Sportwagen" "sporty car"


    Comment
    sporty (Sport..) - sportive (Adjektiv)

    Bin mir nicht sicher ob man "sporty" noch anders verwenden kann, da ich es noch nicht so oft gehört habe.

    Bei "sporty" scheint Sportlichkeit ein Grundmerkmal des Gegenstands zu sein, bei "sportive" ist es einfach eine zusätzliche Eigenschaft.

    Bitte mich zu verbessern, da das eine Antwort "aus dem Bauch heraus" ist.
    #1AuthorJochen Allig31 Mar 05, 15:20
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    Well, as an Englishman, I do sometimes wonder what "sportive" might mean. It is not part of my vocabulary. I use "sporty types" to refer to people which are interested in sport. "Sporty" is also used to describe styles of clothing etc., and sometimes cars, but there is a subtlety here: a "sports car" is generally understood to mean a two-seater with an open top, whereas a "sporty car" can be more or less any shape and size but it has pretensions!
    #2AuthorJoe W31 Mar 05, 15:26
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    Da hab ich mich ja wohl voll blamiert;
    "sportive" was the only word for "sportlich" I had been thought in school; always wondered what "sporty" really means;
    Might "sportive" be used in the States or is there just wrong or old fashioned vocabulary in the school books. (Perhaps that had changed already as i'm out of school for 4 years)
    #3AuthorJochen Allig31 Mar 05, 16:35
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    I'll add my name to the list of those who have not much heard the word "sportive" in English.

    Silly we! The word has a long history. But the reason we don't know it could be that it has gone out of fashion. The OED cites examples of its use primarily from the 16th to 19th centuries; only a very few examples of it are given in the 20th century.

    It has meant, down through the ages, "inclined to jesting or levity," "disposed to a playful lightness of thought or expression," "inclined to amorous sport or wantonness," "disposed to be playful or frolicsome," "of or pertaining to, marked or characterized by, sport; of the nature of sport or amusement; affording or providing sport or diversion," and more.
    #4AuthorBob C.02 Apr 05, 03:54
    Context/ examples
    M-W:
    sporty - 1 : of, relating to, or typical of sports, sportsmen, sportswomen, or sportswear <a sporty life> <clothes of a sporty cut>
    2 of an automobile : resembling a sports car in styling or performance
    sportive - 1 a : FROLICSOME, PLAYFUL b : ARDENT, WANTON
    2 : of or relating to sports and especially field sports

    Pons-Collins:
    sporty (inf) - a: (person) sportbegeistert, sportlich; (clothes, car) sportlich
    b: (= jaunty) flott
    sportive (liter) - fidel, launig (liter)

    Random House unabridged:
    sporty - (Informal) 1. flashy; showy. 2. smart in dress, behavior, etc. 3. like or befitting a sportsman.
    sportive - 1. playful or frolicsome; jesting, jocose, or merry: 'a sportive puppy.' 2. done in sport, rather than in earnest: 'a sportive show of affection.' 3. pertaining to or of the nature of a sport or sports. 4. (Biol.) mutative. 5. (Archaic) ardent; wanton.
    --Syn. 1. jocular, gay, sprightly, frisky.
    sports car - a small, high-powered automobile with long, low lines, usually seating two persons.
    Comment
    I have certainly heard of 'sportive' in English, and you shouldn't use it of a car.

    You could say a 'sports car' if you mean a car designed more for speed than comfort, like the consumer version of a racecar; or a 'sporty car' if you mean a more normal car with a flashy or showy style, like red paint or an eye-catching design. Most sports cars are also sporty in appearance, but not all sporty-looking cars are true sports cars when it comes to performance.

    I would even say that in the vast majority of cases 'sportive' and 'sportlich' are false friends. 'Sportive' is normally used only of people or their attributes: a sportive glance, a sportive remark. It basically means 'playful.'

    IMHO any sports-related senses of 'sportive' (M-W sense 2, RH sense 3) are so awkward-sounding in modern English that they can be safely ignored. (And that includes any web examples.) They're probably mostly by people who, like several native speakers in this thread, simply weren't familiar with the word and assumed it must have something to do with sports.

    OT @Bob: 'Silly we'?! Yeah, happy belated April Fool's Day to you too. That should certainly qualify as colloquially incorrect. <g>
    #5Authorhm -- us02 Apr 05, 07:37
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    I agree that "sportive" should mean mischievous, cheeky, as in these examples:

    ‘I am not accustomed to sell things, sir,’ replied Lorna, who did not like him much, else she would have answered sportively, ‘What is it worth, in your opinion?’ (from Lorna Doone) http://www.litfix.co.uk/blackmore/lorna/chapt...

    We would not, however, be supposed, by these allusions, to imply that all the
    papers of the Idler are light and sportive ...(Samuel Johnson) http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/1/2/0/5/12050/1...

    Then there grew up between them an affected opposition and indifference, and
    a kind of half-sportive, half-earnest wrangling about trifles ...(After the Storm) http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext03/ftrth10.txt

    I think that "sportive" is often used as a synonym of "sporty" these days though, perhaps because "sporty" sounds rather informal, or because of the influence of e.g. French, especially in advertising:

    Acoustic design for sportive people: Sports halls and gymnasiums are purpose-built for games, exercise and intense physical activity ... http://www.ecophon.co.uk/templates/eco_newsit...

    Gore Sportive Ladies Jacket http://www.gbcycles.co.uk/eshop.asp?wce=RCGO0...

    Are you looking for a versatile bike that reacts sportively while allowing
    you to reach your potential at your own pace? http://www.cyclestore.co.uk/productviewer.asp...

    Princess Aurora is the German Olympic bronze medallist Mandy Woetzel, who is
    tiny and sportively built http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xm...
    #6AuthorArchfarchnad -gb-02 Apr 05, 09:56
    Comment
    Archfachnad's compilation is instructive; it confirms that "sportive" is venerable, and it would appear that it is in current use in U.K. Examples from North America as conspicuous by their absence.
    #7AuthorBob C.03 Apr 05, 15:20
     
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