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    forninst

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    A farmer that religious might be offended if he sew you breaking thr sixth Commandment forninst his field.
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    auf, innerhalb?
    Authorfulmen12 Feb 08, 08:23
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    fornenst/forninst I'm not sure of the spelling,but it looks like an Ulsterscots word tha would be heard in parts of Northern Ireland. It means 'opposite'or in this case possibly 'in sight of 'Tell me more.
    #1AuthorJGMcI (349178) 12 Feb 08, 09:15
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    "forninst" has many other spellings, the most popular being

    forenenst, foreninst, fornenst, ferninst, and fernenst

    plus a variant form forenent, fornint, or fernent.

    The meaning of this preposition is variably expressed as

    over against, opposite to, near to, facing towards, and (by extension) figuratively against (i.e. opposed to).

    It is chiefly a Scottish English word, carried however also by settlers to Ireland (particularly the North) and also -- whether directly from Scotland or, more frequently, by way of settlement from Ulster -- to the United States of America (where it is survives as a "regionalism").

    Like many prepositions, it is a multiple compound in origin, made from adding fore to "anent", itself a compound of "on" and "even".

    "Anent" -- meaning

    over against, lying against, alongside, beside, in line with (but nowadays chiefly, and figuratively -- insofar as it is still used at all: about, concerning, in regard to)

    -- has a very low profile these days but is still occasionally used, as such archaisms often are, for jocular effect.

    On + efn (on even) acquired its final t to become on-efent by a process of end-strengthening, but became on-e'ent (Scottish anent, where "an" regularly replaces southern English "on") by a contrary process of medial weakening. The further end-strengthening of anent into anenst is similar to that at work in such pairs as while/whilst and among/amongst.
    http://p211.ezboard.com/FORNINST/fwordorigins...

    the above would seem to suggest 'gegenüber' as being closer
    #2Authorodondon irl12 Feb 08, 09:16
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    @odondon irl ... Thanks for that enlightenment - my mate from Larne uses it and such words,but as you know Larne is a ferry port for Stranraer, Scotland 20 miles away.
    Any clues as to what exactly was going on in that field ? Like many things in Northern Ireland it seems to be a Protestant (murder)/Catholic(adultery) thing .
    #3AuthorJGMcI12 Feb 08, 09:39
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    I read Angela's Ashes, which I presume is the book Fulmen is reading (rather a pity that we never actually get context - it would make things easier...).

    The author's family came from the North, at least in part, and he had plenty of relatives there, so it's no wonder that the term is used in his book. Given that he and his family are Catholics, I'd go for the Catholic sixth Commandment, getting fornication and not murder, and rendering the sentence:

    a farmer as religious as he is might get upset to see you f**king near/ in plain sight of/ in/ his field
    #4Authorodondon irl12 Feb 08, 09:54
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    Thanks again odondon irl...Fulmen was at 'Banagher' yesterday - Angela's Ashes again.Keep the book handy.
    #5AuthorJGMcI12 Feb 08, 10:49
     
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