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    Tip vs. hint

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    I give you a tip: do not use xyz.
    or
    I give you a hint: do not use xyz.
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    What is more common? Is "tip" not more used in the meaning of cumshaw?
    Thanks!
    AuthorMataina (592000) 15 May 09, 12:35
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    "tip" has at least the two meanings "a gratuity" and (informal) "a useful piece of advice". I wouldn't use "hint" here.
    #1AuthorPhillipp15 May 09, 12:38
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    I'd use:

    I recommend ...
    #2Authormito15 May 09, 12:40
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    The two words are very different. A tip is when you tell a person useful information, to help them. A hint is when you don't actually tell them, you say something different which might help them find that information themselves.

    e.g.

    A: How do I delete this word?
    B: I'll give you a tip: the delete button is on the top right of your keyboard.

    A: How do I delete this word?
    B: I'll give you a hint: look on the top right of your keyboard.

    Oh, and a tip as in Trinkgeld is not related to this meaning of "tip" and has no effect on how often this meaning of "tip" is used.
    #3AuthorCM2DD (236324) 15 May 09, 12:41
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    Thanks.
    So ... "tip" is used if you give an advise for a mandatory action and "hint" is just for additional information?
    #4AuthorMataina (592000) 15 May 09, 12:46
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    No, tip is when you give some clear advice, hint is when you hint at something, i.e. you give them a clue but you don't say it explicitly.
    #5AuthorSwissSteve15 May 09, 12:54
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    #4 No; in "give s.o. a hint", a hint is when you say something indirectly, as in "It's a bit cold, isn't it?" when you want someone to close the window, or "You look very smart" when you mean someone is overdressed.
    #6AuthorCM2DD (236324) 15 May 09, 12:54
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    a hint is a clue

    a tip is a bit of helpful information
    #7Authorx15 May 09, 13:17
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    2:45 Newmarket Zero Tolerance
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    My tip for today.
    #8Authormar81927 (UK)15 May 09, 13:36
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    Anyone know anything about this funny word "cumshaw" by the way? related discussion: cumshaw
    #9AuthorCM2DD (236324) 15 May 09, 13:41
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    tip ist ja auch auf Deutsch ein Tip, hint ist ein (oft versteckter) Hinweis.
    beim obigen Beispiel mit dem offenen Fenster:
    "It's a bit cold, isn't it?"
    wenn nun der/die andere nicht reagiert, könnte eine dritte Person sagen: that was a hint (to close the window)
    #10AuthorsillyM (588190) 15 May 09, 13:44
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    It was probably British Navy personnel who first picked up "cumshaw" in Chinese ports, during the First Opium War of 1839–42. "Cumshaw" is from a word that means "grateful thanks" in the dialect of Xiamen, a port in southeast China.
    #11Authormar81927 (UK)15 May 09, 13:46
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    Here's the etymology of "cumshaw" from the OED:

    According to Giles, the Amoy pronunciation, kam-sia, of the Chinese words kan to be grateful, hsieh thanks = ‘grateful thanks’, a phrase of thanks used by beggars.
    #12AuthorPhillipp15 May 09, 13:56
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    Does it mark it as rare or archaic today? Is it still used anywhere?
    #13AuthorCM2DD (236324) 15 May 09, 14:00
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    No, it doesn't mark it as rare or archaic. To be honest I hadn't heard of it before reading this thread ;-)

    Here's the full OED entry:

    In the Chinese ports: A present or gratuity; a baksheesh.
    1839 H. Malcom Trav. II. Gloss., Cum-shaw, a present. At Canton, custom has made some cumshaws matter of right. 1885 Where Chineses Drive 163 Baldpate ... had the exceeding coolness to ask for a cumshaw as they left.

    Hence cumshaw v., to make a present to.
    #14AuthorPhillipp15 May 09, 15:44
     
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