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  • Source Language Term

    Drüben

    Correct?

    over / thereover

    Comment
    I'm confused about the word "drüben" which seems to be defined/used only in the context of "dort drüben" and "da drüben."

    Three questions:

    1) Can "drüben" be used as a stand-alone word?

    2) If so, what does it mean as a stand-alone word?

    3) Is there any connection between "drüben" and "darüber"?
    AuthorMissratenerPlattner (830071) 01 Nov 11, 17:03
    Suggestions

    drüben

    -

    on the other side



    Comment
    1) Can "drüben" be used as a stand-alone word?
    Ja. Beispiel: Der Ball ist über den Zaun geflogen. Wo ist der Ball? Drüben!

    2) If so, what does it mean as a stand-alone word?
    = on the other side

    3) Is there any connection between "drüben" and "darüber"?
    Nicht direkt.
    Drüben = on the other side
    darüber = over ...
    #1Authormad (239053) 01 Nov 11, 17:08
    Comment
    Hier darf das gute alte 'dann geh doch nach drüben' nicht fehlen, das alle zu hören bekamen, die Kritik an der BRD zu üben wagten. 'Drüben' war damals die DDR - also das Land jenseits des antifaschistischen Walls.

    Und wenn alle das 'geh ma mal rüber, geh ma mal rüber zum Schmidt seiner Frau' befolgt haben, dann sind sie drüben beim Schmidt seiner Frau.

    ... als zwei weitere Anwendungsbeispiele.
    #2AuthorSelima (107) 01 Nov 11, 17:09
    Suggestions

    Drüben

    -

    on the other side



    Comment
    Thanks!

    Very interesting... so "da drüben" = "there" + "on the other side" = "over there"?

    The reason I was wondering about a connection to "darüber" is because "drüben" has always sounded like a contraction to me ... like short for "da rüben" or something ... (although the noun "Rüben" is obviously not relevant!)
    #3AuthorMissratenerPlattner (830071) 01 Nov 11, 17:15
    Context/ examples
    http://www.woerterbuchnetz.de/DWB

    Grimm, Dt. Wörterbuch:

    DRÜBEN, adj.
    1. jenseits, dort, zusammengezogen aus darüben. das einfache üben wird nur im gemeinen leben gebraucht, er steht üben, er wohnt üben in dem haus gegenüber. es ist, wie hüben, eine den localadverbien unten nieden oben nachgebildete form, die erst im zweiten viertel des 18ten jahrhunderts vorkommt, aber jetzt allgemein angenommen ist.
    Comment
    Da hast du aber durchaus recht. Es ist eine Zusammenziehung aus darüben (s.o.).
    #4AuthorSelima (107) 01 Nov 11, 17:20
    Comment
    I get it now - the "r" in the middle of "darüben" must be there to make it easier to say.
    #5AuthorMissratenerPlattner (830071) 01 Nov 11, 17:23
    Comment
    Personally I'm confused about the word "thereover" in the OP. Is that part of your vocabulary, MissratenerPlattner? Is it AE only?

    ?
    #6AuthorKinkyAfro (587241) 01 Nov 11, 17:29
    Comment
    It's not really used in standard AE - but it is a real word and could be used similarly to archaic words like "thereupon," "thereto," or "therewith."

    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/thereover

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/the...
    #7AuthorMissratenerPlattner (830071) 01 Nov 11, 20:48
    Comment
    Re #7:

    The Merriam-Webster link says I need to activate a free trial to view the definition. I've also typed "thereover" into the Merriam-Webster site myself and it comes up with the same message. Yet I'm able to see the definitions of other words without any further ado. Strange...
    #8AuthorKinkyAfro (587241) 02 Nov 11, 13:55
    Comment
    I searched for "thereover" on onelook and only had one hit:
    http://www.wordnik.com/words/thereover
    Onelook didn't find it on merriam-webster.com, and when I typed it into the Merriam-Webster site I got the same message as KinkyAfro. (And I also got this message when I clicked on the link in #7)

    Also, I wouldn't have thought of "thereupon" as "archaic".

    #9AuthorDragon (238202) 02 Nov 11, 14:09
     
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