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    San Francisco (short: SF, Frisco, the City, Fog City) - San Francsco, San Franzisko

    New entry

    San Francisco (short: SF, Frisco, the City, Fog City) geog. - San Francsco, San Franzisko

    Examples/ definitions with source references
    http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/San_Francisco

    Rechtschreibung
    Von Duden empfohlene Schreibung: San FranciscoAlternative Schreibung:San Franzisko

    Bedeutung
    Stadt in Kalifornien
    Betonung: San Francịsco, San Franzịsko

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco
    1. "Don't Call It Frisco". San Francisco Examiner, San Francisco Chronicle: p. 6. April 3, 1918. Retrieved July 11, 2011.
    2. Though many residents still maintain that the nickname "Frisco" is taboo, many residents, especially younger and working-class natives, have kept this term alive and well. In any case, this is a matter of ongoing speculation that reflects certain cultural divisions within the city. Sullivan, James (October 14, 2003). "Frisco, that once-verboten term for the city by the bay, is making a comeback among the young and hip. Herb Caen is spinning at warp speed.". San Francisco Chronicle: p. D-1. Retrieved June 12, 2008.
    3. Some tourists refer to San Francisco as "Frisco." However, locals discourage this. Samuel D. Cohen writes that many credit "Friscophobia" to newspaper columnist Herb Caen, whose first book, published in 1953, was "Don't Call it Frisco" after a 1918 newspaper article of the same name. Caen was considered by many to be the recognized authority on what was, and what was not, beneath the city's dignity, and to him, Frisco was intolerable. Cohen, Sam (September 11, 1997). "Locals know best: only tourists call it 'Frisco'". Golden Gater Online. San Francisco State University. Retrieved July 13, 2008.[dead link]
    4.
    Comment
    Frisco ist heftig umstritten, aber ebenso bekannt und (zumindest unter Touristen oder Nicht-Franziskanern) auch gebraucht.
    Author stevelefrancais (725002) 02 Dec 12, 10:32
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    I don't think an entry is merited.

    From living in CA a long time, I'd call it either "City By The Bay" or "San Fran", in my experience.
    #1AuthorFfive (876338) 02 Dec 12, 18:47
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    For anyone interested in the Francisco, Frisco debate, it may interest you to hear that the debate pre-dates the 1918 article. Of course it wouldn't hurt to include a reference to Frisco somewhere so that people who run across it could figure out that it might mean San Francisco.

    An August 3, 1912 article in the San Francisco Call reported that,

    "Frisco" is not to be used In designating San Francisco. This decision has been given by the treasury department of the federal government and communicated to Collector Frederick Stratton, who had asked for a ruling in regard to the nickname.
    The dispute over the use of the flippant "Frisco" developed when the government recently ordered all cars containing merchandise being transported in bond to be secured with a special customs seal bearing the imprint of the name of the port where
    sealed. An order given by one of the railroads for such seals was filled by the manufacturer, who substituted the name "Frisco" for San Francisco. In
    rebuking the manufacturer and prohibiting the use of the word the department sent the following communication to Collector Stratton, whose
    original objections are quoted:

    "I have to advise you that objection has been made to the use of the term "Frisco, Cal." on the seals, for the reason that the word "Frisco" lacks distinctiveness and dignity, and there are upward of
    10 villages named Frisco. The term "Frisco" as a name for San Francisco, employed by nonresidents, is objected: to by a majority of the citizens of San
    Francisco and ls never used by them. The term has been condemned by the press and civic organizations and the campaign against the employment thereof
    has progressed to such an extent that the St. Louis and San Francisco railway, commonly known and widely advertised as the "Frisco" line, was obliged, by popular opinion, to take that term off
    its advertising and office window display in that city."
    #2Authorsvaihingen (705121) 02 Dec 12, 19:05
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    It's not a Francisco, Frisco debate but rather a question of San Francisco/SF/The City, etc., vs. Frisco, with the later being ill advised when speaking to anyone who lives there.
    #3AuthorJurist (US) (804041) 03 Dec 12, 00:26
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    I can see the point of adding San Franzisko, but not the point of adding city nicknames. That's not really what a dictionary usually does, is it? Cities have many nicknames - are we really going to add 'Brum', 'Brummagem', 'England's Second City', 'City of a Thousand Trades' or 'Workshop of the World'? Or L.E. and 'Kleines Paris'?

    Who'll start adding these?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_city_nic...
    #4AuthorCM2DD (236324) 03 Dec 12, 08:22
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    (Way OT, Does Dresden have a nickname off the top of your head, CM2DD?)
    #5AuthorFfive (876338) 03 Dec 12, 08:27
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    #4: That's not really what a dictionary usually does, is it?

    So ganz abwegig ist der Vorschlag ja nicht:

    Dictionary: Gotham
    Dictionary: the Big Apple
    Dictionary: the Eternal City
    Dictionary: Florence on the Elbe
    Dictionary: the City of Brotherly Love

    Allerdings würde ich auch nicht alles eintragen was es sonst noch so alles gibt (#4).
    #6AuthorHarri Beau (812872) 03 Dec 12, 12:36
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    I think it's the suggestion 'The City' that is putting me off the most. It doesn't sound like a firmly established, standard name - but perhaps because I'm just not familiar with it, and the OP hasn't bothered to provide any evidence. Would it be obvious to people from the US that 'The City' had to be San Francisco, and couldn't be anywhere else?

    And is SF really written S.F. and not SF? Maybe if the OP had followed the New Entry instructions more carefully I would be less sceptical.
    #7AuthorCM2DD (236324) 03 Dec 12, 14:10
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    Das stimmt allerdings, ein wenig mehr Sorgfalt könnte nicht schaden. Den Beleg dafür, daß es im Deutschen manchmal San Francsco heißt, ist er noch schuldig geblieben.

    Und "the City" sagt mir jetzt auch wenig. Ist Los Angeles das nicht genauso?
    #8AuthorHarri Beau (812872) 03 Dec 12, 14:20
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    I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and San Francisco is indeed refered to as "The City" around here. I would think that this is regional usage only, going back to a time when San Francisco was the largest and dominating city in this area.

    Similar usage is probably widespread with regard to other cities around the world. For example, I recently came across a Majorcan text in which Palma was simply refered to as "Ciutat", presumably because it was the only city on the island in the past.

    As for adding nicknames for cities to LEO, this has been controversial in the past. As I recall the (informal) threshold for inclusion is that the nickname appears in dictionaries, and can be found in the national press without annotations given. If someone would like to propose an entry for 'Brum' / 'Brummagem' (a.k.a. Birmingham) along those lines, I would support it, because this certainly threw me for a loop the first time I encountered it.
    #9AuthorNorbert Juffa (236158) 03 Dec 12, 18:24
    Context/ examples
    Frisco
    Slang Dictionary

    Frisco definition
    [ˈfrɪsko]

    n.
    San Francisco, California. (Said to be objected to by residents of that city. Still in use despite the claim.) : My cousin lives in Frisco.

    Dictionary of American Slang and Colloquial Expressions by Richard A. Spears.Fourth Edition.
    Copyright 2007. Published by McGraw Hill.
    Comment
    #10Authorsvaihingen (705121) 03 Dec 12, 21:38
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    >>Would it be obvious to people from the US that 'The City' had to be San Francisco, and couldn't be anywhere else?

    No, not at all. I would assume that would be true anywhere people were living in a cluster of bedroom communities around a larger city, and would be used mainly in contexts like 'Do you want to go into the city next weekend and have a nice dinner at a restaurant somewhere?' In some cities you could also say 'go into town.' It seems unnecessary to me to capitalize it.

    I'm also skeptical about Frisco; I haven't actually heard anyone use it, so I wonder if it's largely outdated, thanks probably in part to San Franciscans' dislike of it. It might be marked [veraltend] [sl.] or something.

    So I really doubt that any of these need adding except perhaps the abbreviation S.F., which of course can also be written SF in more modern style.

    Norbert, you mean San José is actually bigger now than San Francisco? Good heavens. Maybe it just has more room to spread out and incorporate surrounding areas? Though a lot of those are cities too ...
    #11Authorhm -- us (236141) 03 Dec 12, 21:51
    Context/ examples
    "Frisco, that once-verboten term for the city by the bay, is making a comeback among the young and hip. Herb Caen is spinning at warp speed."

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/F...
    Comment
    Article from the SFGate, 2003.
    #12Authorsvaihingen (705121) 04 Dec 12, 00:01
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    OT @hm-us: San Jose (nobody uses the accent except the city in their publications) was about to surpass San Franscisco in the number of inhabitants around the time I moved here almost twenty years ago. Today San Jose is the third largest city in California, and the tenth largest in the nation. Wikipedia says that as of 2012, the population was as follows:

    San Jose: 971,372
    San Francisco: 805,235

    San Jose covers a large area and its density is significantly lower than San Francisco's. However, a significant portion of the city's area was declared off limits to development by the establishment of an Urban Growth Boundary in the late 1970s (or thereabouts) and the resulting lack of available land contributes to the very high cost of housing in the city.
    #13AuthorNorbert Juffa (236158) 04 Dec 12, 02:55
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    Just because, "the City", sic, has competitors already.

    "the City" (die City) and "London" both the city itself, and the financial center.

    Dictionary: second city

    I'm half-tempted to start an entry for Chicago (Chitown, and, Second City), but I don't support these types of entries in general.
    #14AuthorFfive (876338) 04 Dec 12, 04:48
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    As long as we are getting a bit off topic here . . .

    Perhaps we also need an entry for "San Berdoo": Eminent domain mass delusion hits San Berdoo
    http://www.calwatchdog.com/2012/07/16/eminent...

    My father used to use both "Frisco" and "San Berdoo" to refer to San Francisco and San Bernardino respectively. It's been a long time since I have heard either one , but according to a couple of posts "Frisco" is supposedly making a comeback.

    Referring to a particular city in a region as "The City" has a long history. In the Byzantine Empire, people would speak of going εις την πολιν ("eis ten polin"), or "into the city" (i.e. Constantinople). The ultimate result? "The City" is now called "Istanbul".
    #15AuthorRobert -- US (328606) 10 Dec 12, 07:14
     
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