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  • Source Language Term

    Frosh

    Correct?

    Erstsemester

    Examples/ definitions with source references
    Frosh = political correct version of "freshman"
    Comment
    I have never heard of the expression "frosh" in order to avoid using the term "freshman" on female students. Does anybody know where it comes from or if it is indeed in daily use? Furthermore, how does it help us with any "un-pc-ness" (sorry for that last expression)?
    AuthorWu12 Jul 07, 10:12
    Ergebnisse aus dem Wörterbuch
    frosh   - at university [sl.] (Amer.; Canad.) [EDUC.]der Ersti | die Ersti [coll.]
    frosh   - at university [sl.] (Amer.; Canad.) [EDUC.]der Erstsemestler | die Erstsemestlerin  pl.: die Erstsemestler, die Erstsemestlerinnen
    Comment
    The acronymfinder only says Frosh = Freshman (College) . . .

    http://www.acronymfinder.com/acronym.aspx?rec...
    . . .
    #1AuthorDaddy12 Jul 07, 10:18
    Comment
    I can confirm that, in the mid to late nineties, it was in regular use. However, I never thought of it as a PC term but rather more of a degrading term. I don't know why though, maybe because of the way and the situations in which it was used?

    If it indeed is, as you suspect, somehow a PC version of "freshman", it would be due to the fact that you avoid using the "man" in "freshman" when referring to a female.
    #2Authorhermarphromoose (169674) 12 Jul 07, 10:32
    Comment
    I can only help with your second question how does it help us with any "un-pc-ness"

    Well, because of Freshman.
    Freshman and Freshwoman? Nah... Freshperson? Errmm... Frosh? Sounds plain daft to me...
    #3AuthorHui Buh unplugged12 Jul 07, 10:33
    Comment
    Example of derogatory use of "frosh":

    "One day, a lawn in the centre of campus became infested with Frosh. In an effort to beautify the campus, one of our illustrious senior classmen decided to round them up using a length of pink silk. Your job is to compute how much silk was required to complete the task." (from http://acm.uva.es/p/v101/10135.html)
    #4Authorhermarphromoose (169674) 12 Jul 07, 10:36
    Context/ examples
    Comment
    Perhaps an insight into the origins of this word?

    "NOUN:Inflected forms: pl. frosh
    Informal A freshman, as in college.
    ETYMOLOGY:Shortening and alteration of freshman (perhaps influenced by German Frosch, frog, grammar-school pupil)."
    #5Authorhermarphromoose (169674) 12 Jul 07, 10:38
    Comment
    Where I teach, "frosh" is simply the short form of freshman - No PC aspect, no thought of etymology, no derogatory connotation. (Any derogatory idea comes simply from the fact that the 'upper classmen' look down on freshmen anyway, no matter what they call them.) When using the full term, female students, as well as male, call themselves "freshmen"; no one really thinks about the "man/men" part of the word, it's just a term to designate students in the ninth grade/first year of high school.

    In most sports the school fields three male teams: varsity, junior varsity and frosh-soph (Frosh and soph simply being shortened forms for freshman and sophomore). The idea is that students of approximately the same playing ability compete against one another.
    #6AuthorRobert -- US (328606) 12 Jul 07, 11:01
    Context/ examples
    I was thinking the other day that my old [1958 textbook of Chinese] even had accurate drawings of the mouth when forming various sounds, and accurate descriptions of the sounds — written in the arcane language understood only by professional linguistics professor and/or people much smarter than I am. What is generally missing in those explanations is a clear explanation of how to make the sounds expressed in frosh-proof terms. And the pictures actually failed because they were anatomically correct.

    (aus einem E-Mail)
    Comment
    Dieses Beispiel stützt vielleicht die These von hermarphromoose, dass "frosh" etwas abschätzig ist.
    #7AuthorGao27 Nov 07, 02:26
    Suggestions

    frosh

    Canad. -

    Erstsemester



    Comment
    Ich lehre in Waterloo, Kanada und hier heisst es ausschliesslich "frosh", so wie an allen anderen Universitaeten in der Naehe. Hatte Schwierigkeit irgendein Woerterbuch zu finden, dass den Begriff enthaelt. Unter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientation_week ist mehr zu finden, allerdings sind die Quellen nicht genannt. Mir ist der Begriff fuer Erstsemestrige (wie wir in Oesterreich sagen wuerden) als auch fuer das erste Semester selbst gelaeufig.

    Gregor Weihs
    #8Authorgwmx26 Dec 07, 04:37
     
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