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  • Source Language Term

    Zellbild

    Correct?

    cell profile

    Examples/ definitions with source references
    Zellbild
    Dennoch ist aufgrund des granulozytären Zellbildes eine koinzident zur Extraktion auftretende virale Meningitis nicht anzunehmen.

    I disagree with this:
    blood cell picture
    How to Cite this article: 4. CELLULAR DIAGNOSTICS OF CSF, eJIFCC Vol 15 no 3: http://www.ifcc.org/ejifcc/ejifcc/vol15no3/15...

    4. CELLULAR DIAGNOSTICS OF CSF
    by Dr. Sabine Urbanits, MD, Ph.D.,
    Department of Neurology,
    Kaiser Franz Josef Hospital,
    Kundratstrasse, 3 1100 Wien Austria

    blood cell profile

    BCP * birth control pills; blood cell profile
    http://www.labcorp.com/datasets/labcorp/html/...
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    blood cell profile
    http://www.lef.org/bloodtest

    blood cell profile
    Consequently, the peripheral blood cell profile shows an increased number of granulocytes and their immature precursors, including occasional blast cells.
    http://www.emedicine.com/med/byname/chronic-m...
    Comment


    Comments anybody?
    Author Nick Nack (141965) 07 Feb 08, 14:47
    Comment
    Couldn't it be 'granulocytous appearance of the detected cells'. Sounds like the diagnosis of CSF
    #1AuthorMiss Take (399408) 07 Feb 08, 15:17
    Context/ examples
    Typische klinische Befunde sind reduzierter Allgemeinzustand, Fieber, stärkste Kopfschmerzen und Nackensteifigkeit. Liquortrübung, Pleozytose und granlozytäres Zellbild bestätigen das Vorliegen einer bakteriellen Meningitis.
    Comment
    Miss Take: die anderen Texte sind nur Referenzmaterialien. Dieser Satz entstammt dem Ausgangstext.

    Siehe auch:
    http://www.emedicine.com/med/byname/chronic-m...
    #2AuthorNick Nack (141965) 07 Feb 08, 15:20
    Comment
    Miss Take: In the section labelled Background
    #3AuthorNick Nack (141965) 07 Feb 08, 15:21
    Comment
    NickNack, ich hab gerade ein Brett vorm Kopf: Du bist nicht damit einverstanden, dass in dem Satz 'Dennoch ist aufgrund des granulozytären Zellbildes eine koinzident zur Extraktion auftretende virale Meningitis nicht anzunehmen' Zellbild mit blood cell picture übersetzt ist, sondern mit blood cell profile, richtig? Mein Einwand gegen profile war, dass der zitierte Satz sich auf einzelne Zellen beziehen kann, die ein granulozytäres Erscheinungsbild bieten (und die, wie ich annahm, bei einer Liquorpunktion gewonnen wurden). Richtig?
    #4AuthorMiss Take (399408) 07 Feb 08, 15:29
    Context/ examples
    Comment
    Miss Take: Firstly, thanks for the tip. The text is about a case of meningitis. As the above links indicate, the liquor no doubt relates to cerebrospinal fluid.

    Regarding "cell profile". Well, I'm still working on that.
    #5AuthorNick Nack (141965) 07 Feb 08, 15:44
    Context/ examples

    Procedures

    * Lumbar puncture may be needed to obtain cell profile and culture information if meningoencephalitis is the prominent presentation.

    http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic1503.htm
    Comment
    Miss Take: This looks rather like a confirmation to me. What do you say?
    #6AuthorNick Nack (141965) 07 Feb 08, 15:48
    Comment
    Miss Take: I've got to get away from the desk. However, I would greatly appreciate your thoughts on "cell profile" as an equivalent for "Zellbild". (It sounds right to me.)
    #7AuthorNick Nack (141965) 07 Feb 08, 15:56
    Comment
    A couple of my medical dicts. say "cytogram" for Zellbild.

    Maybe it works for you.
    #8AuthorHelmi (U.S.) (236620) 07 Feb 08, 16:15
    Context/ examples

    Search engine: http://eu2.ixquick.com
    "cell profile" diagnosis meningitis CSF
    Results: 18 unique top-ten pages selected from at least 63 matching results

    Search engine: http://eu2.ixquick.com
    Search terms: cytogram diagnosis meningitis CSF
    Results: 17 unique top-ten pages selected from 17 matching results
    Comment
    Helmi: Helmi (U.S.): still working on it
    #9AuthorNick Nack (141965) 07 Feb 08, 21:46
    Context/ examples
    3.2.2. CEREBRAL SPINAL FLUID (C.S.F) NB Advice regarding skin preparation and handling the sample of CSF is offered here. If you are unsure on any aspect of cannulating the spinal canal you should seek advice and/or supervision from an experienced clinical colleague.
    Skin preparation: Clean the proposed site of skin puncture with disinfectant according to Trust Policy using a cotton wool swab held by forceps. Apply disinfectant to the skin site, allow time for this to dry on the skin.
    Following cannulation of the spinal canal CSF will drip from the cannula. Collect about 2 ml (smaller volumes from children) in each of 3 bottles labelling the first bottle 1, the second 2, etc. Send the bottles to the laboratory immediately with a fully completed form including details of any antibiotics already given. Do not refrigerate the bottles while awaiting their delivery to the laboratory. Delicate pathogens do not survive low temperatures.
    The following tests are performed routinely on CSF:

    1. Sugar level (remember to take a blood sugar to establish the blood/CSF sugar ratio. Send the blood sugar to the biochemistry laboratory).
    2. Protein level.
    3. Cell count.
    4. Culture for bacteria. Examination for tubercle bacilli and TB i.e. Ziehl-Neelsen staining culture is only performed on request by the clinician or if the sugar/protein/cell profile indicate it. This applies also to culture for viruses. If a viral aetiology is suspected please complete a virology request form also and send a throat swab and faeces samples to the Regional Virus Laboratory. R.V.H.
    http://dnausers.d-n-a.net/dnetJago/5link.html
    Comment
    Helmi (U.S.): Similar context as my text. I decided in favour of "cell profile"
    #10AuthorNick Nack (141965) 07 Feb 08, 22:02
    Suggestions

    cell count and differential

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    Zellbild



    Context/ examples
    Comment
    "Blutbild" is the blood count and differential, analagous to this the "Zellbild" is the cell count and differential (how many cells and what type).

    The sample from a lumbar puncture in a case of suspected meningitis provides a CSF profile (cell count and differential, glucose, protein, and Gram stain)

    "The profile of the culture positive CSF (cell count and differential, glucose, protein, and gram stain) was recorded."
    http://jnnp.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/67/4/468

    If you are not referring to the overall CSF profile in your text, I see no reason why you can't use "cell profile", but you might like to consider "cell count and differential" as an alternative.

    HTH
    #11AuthorMarianne (BE) (237471) 08 Feb 08, 11:09
    Suggestions

    differential cell count

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    Zellbild



    Context/ examples
    Comment
    or "differential cell count"
    #12AuthorMarianne (BE) (237471) 08 Feb 08, 11:11
    Comment
    Marienne: Just checked my text again. CSF profile fits the context perfectly, and I do mean perfectly. For some reason the author does not refer explicitly anywhere in the text to CSF, although from the context this is exactly what is meant. The findings listed in table, however, are for colour, cell count, protein, and glucose. And the term used is "liquor", although from the context (testing an in-patient for meningitis) CSF is surely what is meant.

    I think that this thread should result in a new entry for LEO. What do think of that?

    #13AuthorNick Nack (141965) 10 Feb 08, 10:03
    Comment
    @nicknack: You can be sure it's about CSF, because that is what you look at when meningitis is suspected. Btw, German slang for CSF is Liquor. German speaking authors?
    #14AuthorMiss Take (399408) 10 Feb 08, 10:23
    Comment
    Regarding: Marienne (comment #11)

    I would like to encourage readers to check out the link in this comment. It is worthwhile.
    #15AuthorNick Nack (141965) 10 Feb 08, 10:28
    Comment
    Miss Take: Nice to hear from you. Yes, a German author using a mix of precise and not so precise language throughout paper (presumably) for publication. There were a number of issues regarding language use in this text, I may bring them up in other threads sometime in future. For now, it's back to work. This case is closed. (variation on "Well, King, this case is closed." Sergeant Preston of the Yukon. Television series from Canada. What they fail to quote is King's response, which was "Wuff, wuff!")
    #16AuthorNick Nack (141965) 10 Feb 08, 10:38
    Comment
    @Nick Nack
    Although there are other possibilities, if you see "Liquor" in a German text, it is usually an abbreviated form of "Liquor cerebrospinalis" which you then translate into English as "cerebrospinal fluid (CSF)"

    Roche Lexikon Medizin, 5. Aufl., © Urban & Fischer 2003

    " L. cerebro|spinalis
    E: cerebrospinal fluid (= CSF)"
    http://www.tk-online.de/rochelexikon/

    This lexicon, although not infallible, is very usefeul as starting point - just type "liquor" into the search field.
    #17AuthorMarianne (BE) unplugged10 Feb 08, 10:39
    Comment
    Marienne: Thanks for the link. It was not so much the word "liquor" that led me to cerebrospinal fluid as the context in which the word appeared. But I genuinely needed backup on this one. I hope I can be similarly helpful to others in future.

    PS: At least a half a dozen issues related to translating arose during this work. But they are for another day and other threads.
    #18AuthorNick Nack (141965) 10 Feb 08, 10:56
     
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