Von "feature length" steht nichts im Original, und mit Komma ist Dein "What is more" vermutlich richtig; aus der Vermutung kann nur Gewissheit werden, wenn man weiß, wie der vorhergehende Satz heißt.

My suggestion:
Furthermore, older people are generally avoided for protagonist dubbing in animated feature films.

1. feature-length animated cartoon is kind of contradicting, cartoons are short films.
2. cartoon is only the hand-drawn stuff, or CGI that is made to look alike. Films like Toy Story etc. are by definition no cartoons.

And, why are they avoided? When the character is old...?


---EDIT:
1. Right, nothing about full-length in the original. What kind of Zeichentrickfilm are we talking about?
2. What I forgot to say—they don't really act, right? They dub the film...

Moreover, old people are generally avoided as (main / leading) protagonists in full length cartoon features.

und der andere Hauptdarsteller ist ein kleiner dicker Junge. Toll.

Cartoons hardly ever have old people as their main characters?

auch tomtom sollte erklären, wo er die "full length" sieht.

You kept the contradiction and added an oxymoron there, tomtom. A character with a supporting role is not a protagonist, there is only one. Or one male and one female, for all I care (and the Academy)...

And cartoons are not feature-length.

animated films anstelle von cartoons.

Werner, wahrscheinlich war er so blöd wie ich, und hat einfach die englische Version korrigiert, ohne das Deutsche Original zu lesen... Sorry von meiner Seite :-)

Spinatwachtel, naja, ausser er meint wirklich cartoons... Aber die sind klassischerweise nur mit Musik vertont.

Cartoons can be full length / feature length. Disney has made dozens of them. You can call them animated cartoons, (or even animated films) but if you're talking about films, it's obvious that they are animated.

You're right of course about the protagonist, #6, I meant to write (main/leading characters) as an alternative. Why do you think cartoons are short films? If you can make a short one, you can make a long one too, surely?

I took the full-length (or feature length) from the original try, assuming that TiLi knew what he/she was talking about (having the whole context).

I don't think so.. I mean a cartoon is originally some kind of comic strip, or maybe only one picture cartooning a politician, or some occurrence. Now the animated short slapstick comedy films produced back in the 1920s were called cartoons too, because of the similarity in comedy/silliness... Disney produced dozens of cartoons, yes, they started with Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck and so forth, the animated films by Disney are a whole other story though. Especially because they are not primarily funny but also have a message and a dramatic storyline, stuff that cartoons don't normally deal with.. I mean let's kick the Japanese industry: How could you justify calling films like Nausicaä, Mononoke-hime or Akira cartoons? They are great work and nothing burlesque about it.

if you're talking about films, it's obvious that they are animated.: How is that?? How is Die Hard animated? :)

Re #10

"if you're talking about films, it's obvious that they are animated"
I meant this, of course, in the context of cartoons, because that is what we are talking about. (Or are you deliberately trying to be obtuse?)

I think there seems to be a misunderstanding about what a cartoon/animated film is. It relates to the way the film is made - i.e. by photographing a succession of drawings to produce the effect of movement (= animation). I have no idea about the films you quote - I have never heard of them, let alone seen them. But the subject matter is immaterial.
You call the Disney films "a whole other story" (I don't know what you mean by that.) Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, the Lion King and other films of that ilk are cartoons and they are full length films.

Aw I see, sorry for the slow uptake.

No way are Snow White, Sleeping Beauty or the Lion King cartoons! They are all dramas with comedy features.. And I could very well have exemplified those instead of the JP-films, I just didn't because the Disney films are still family/kids-movies and so keep a part of the cartoony appearance.. But the Japanese stuff is most obviously not for kids. Or have you seen Waltz With Bashir? Is it a cartoon, does it evoke cartoony feelings?

It does not relate to how the film is made. E.g. Snow White is made like the old cartoons, by cel-animation, but Lion King is made by full animation, where every picture is seperate. There is of course also more recent full-animation productions, which are cartoons.

A cartoon always caricatures someone/something. If a film has the intention of being realistic in any way, it's not a cartoon.

I agree that a cartoon can be what would be a "Karikatur" in German (usually a single picture). Then there is the strip cartoon like Peanuts (German: "Comicstrip").
But I'm still convinced that a cartoon film relates to the way it is, or was, made (from drawings - as in the original meaning of the word cartoon - a preliminary sketch or drawing).
I may well be wrong, but I don't really think we're going to sort it out today, nor do I think the world will stop if we dont. So we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Sorry if I'm being obtuse now. Nichts für ungut!

Ok, now that lunch is over, I think I have to get back into the discussion.

I am working on my diploma thesis now for several months, and the title is "Death in feature-length animated cartoons for children" -

I have done quite some research and I have to contradict those who think cartoons are the same as slapstick pieces. There were cartoon shorts in the silent and golden era (the one most will think about hearing the word "cartoon") but there are also full-length cartoons.

I agree, that they could also be called "animated films".

The sentence I am referring to is from the chapter about natural death. The sentence before reads as follows: "It comes as quite a surprise that not a single analysed film contains death by old age."

For the one referring to Up (I didn't check your link, but I suppose this is what it is about) - I am only analysing graphically animated cartoons (or also called "traditionally animated cartoons").

I was actually only wondering about the use of the phrase "What is more" because I wanted to use it several times, but as I never knew how, I always tried to avoid it.

But if I got that correctly, it is okay to say "What is more, ..." meaning "Darüber hinaus..." in German, is that right?

Thx a lot!

(And I'm a she ^^)

You are right.
Having said that, in a thesis it might be better to use furthermore or moreover as these sound a bit less colloquial.

However, I don't want to start another endless debate, so I will now retire from the discussion and let anyone feel quite free to contradict me!

I wanted to use that one as I have already used "furthermore", "moreover", "additionally" and "in addition" excessively. But thanks for reminding me of "besides" - I haven't made use of that so far. ;-)

Sorry if I was/am too insistent, tomtom..

TiLi, I'm not so small-minded about it that I'd limit cartoon to slapstick, no way, but equating them is complete nonsense, there is clearly a difference.

Or tell me, is Akira a cartoon?

I don't know Akira so I can't tell you!

I know what you mean by "cartoony" characters, and I agree that there is much room for misunderstandings as "cartoon" can take on several meanings.

I have worked a lot with the book "Of Mice and Magic - A History of American Animated Cartoons" by Leonard Maltin, and I just re-checked the part on feature-length cartoons by Disney, and it really says there:

"People in the film industry predicted that no adult would want to see a feature-length cartoon."

You should watch it, it's about one of the most famous anime.. Or the other ones I listed by Miyasaki, really good films.

Well maybe I was a little hasty with the feature-length, it's probably not wrong to say feature-length cartoon. But it's special. Most feature-length animated films are no cartoons IMO.

And as you apparently talk about 'cartoons for children' and the addressing of death, I think cartoon is alright anyway. If I had known that in the first place I wouldn't have even objected. It just aroused my attention because I had the impression that someone was going to refer to all animated motion picture as 'cartoon'...

I just educated myself a little bit on the difference between anime and manga (out of interest).

My first intention actually was to have a comparison of death in Eastern and Western animated films - but I realised that this would mean watching a whooooole lot of films and it would probably spread the limits of a diploma thesis, so I settled with the depiction of death in (American/western) animated features for children (which is btw a highly interesting issue!!!)

Thanks for the help anyway :-)
Have a lovely day!

Well, the difference is just that Manga is comic and Anime is film :-)

Yeah, can imagine! Will you send me a copy when it's finished? :)

Yes, and this guy sees even more distinguishable features of manga and anime, very interesting article:
http://www.mit.edu/~rei/Expl.html

If you want one, sure :-) Just publicly exhibit your email adress here and you get the first fresh copy ;-)