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    Torte

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    Eine dreistöckige Torte ist groß.


    https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torte

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    Hallo,
    Gibt es ein Wort auf Englisch das wirklich eine Torte umschreibt, und nicht nur Kuchen oder Gebäck?
    😊
    AuthorSunny_07 (1390132) 02 May 23, 13:59
    Ergebnisse aus dem Wörterbuch
    torte  - pl.: torten, tortesdie Torte  pl.: die Torten
    gateau  - pl.: gateaus, gateauxdie Torte  pl.: die Torten
    flandie Torte  pl.: die Torten
    tartdie Torte  pl.: die Torten
    fancy cakedie Torte  pl.: die Torten
    Linzer (or: linzer) torte [COOK.]Linzer Torte
    Sacher torte  - pl.: Sacher tortes   - rich iced chocolate cake [COOK.]die Sachertorte  pl.: die Sachertorten
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    Das wäre ein "(wedding) cake", denke ich. AWWDI.

    #1Author B.L.Z. Bubb (601295) 02 May 23, 14:00
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    Es gibt 'gateau', das wäre eine Creme-/ Sahnetorte. Aber bei 'dreistöckig' würde ich bei 'cake' bleiben:


    a three-tier cake

    #2Author Gibson (418762) 02 May 23, 14:02
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    OT: It was a sad wedding - even the cake was in tiers...

    #3Author wienergriessler (925617) 02 May 23, 14:13
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    Oh, super Eselsbrücke - ich will wirklich jedes Mal 'tire' sagen. Vielleicht merke ich es mir so mal.

    #4Author Gibson (418762) 02 May 23, 14:41
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    https://food52.com/blog/16595-cakes-versus-to...

    What is a torte? [...]

    A: It's a cake [...]

    B: It's a fancy, layered cake [...]

    C: It's a German or Austrian dessert. [...]

    D : It has jam in it, right? No, wait—chocolate? No, nuts. And mousse! And it's flourless? [...]

    E: All of the above.

    You're right!

    A torte is truly a dessert of many colors: It can be a single layer or multi-layered, chocolatey or otherwise, flourless or spongy, jam-slathered or nut-based. Is this confusing? Yes, it definitely is. [...]





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    The blog post cited above gives some examples of cakes that are considered or should not be considered a torte.If you are looking for a word for a particular kind of Torte, you might find guidance there.

    #5AuthorAE procrastinator (1268904) 02 May 23, 15:14
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    indulge with a full size ‘bling choux torte’ with a range of tempting toppings

    10 Best Cake Shops In Bath In 2023 - Love Bath


    Just one example of many.

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    As AEP suggests in #5, "torte" can be used in English to describe cakes called "Torte" in German.

    #6Author FernSchreiber (1341928) 03 May 23, 07:50
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    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/...

    Torte

    gâteau; (= Obsttorte) flan


    torte in British English

    (tɔːt, German ˈtɔrtə )

    a rich cake, originating in Austria, usually decorated or filled with cream, fruit, nuts, and jam

    Word origin: C16: ultimately perhaps from Late Latin tōrta a round loaf, of uncertain origin

    #7Author MiMo (236780) 03 May 23, 09:13
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    torte n.

    …………………….

    2. Plural torten or tortes. An elaborate sweet cake or tart.

    …………………….

    [OED]

     

    torte noun

    plural torten or tortes

    : a cake made with many eggs and often grated nuts or dry bread crumbs and usually covered with a rich frosting

    [M-W]

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    ... and in the standard dictionaries both sides of the mere.

    #8AuthorBion (1092007) 03 May 23, 09:31
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    FWIW, die englische Tante Wiki nennt im Artikel "Wedding cake" dieses Gebilde "A three-layer wedding cake with pillar supports and "topper" figures" ...

    #9Author no me bré (700807) 03 May 23, 09:44
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    #10Author mbshu (874725) 03 May 23, 09:45
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    Of the 'Bekannten Torten' listed on the Wikipedia page here (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torte), some have established names in the UK, eg Black Forest gâteau and Sachtertorte.


    In generally I'd call very creamy special occasion cakes, such as the Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte, a gateau.


    Pastries with fresh fruit on top are generally called tarts, especially individual one-portion tarts (or tartlets) from a fancy bakery.


    Traditionally, open-topped fruit 'Torten' were called flans in the UK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flan_(pie). The Erdbeertorte in the Wikipedia pictures I would naturally call a strawberry flan. That's a cake (not pastry) base with fruit and jelly on top. (But not a 'strawberry pie', as the English Wikipedia page for the Erdbeertorte says - that's AE.) Both my grandmothers made lots of fruit flans circa 1990 in the UK. It's probably the last time I had a home-made fruit flan. But 'flan' is a word that makes me think 'grandmothers' rather than 'fancy patisserie'...


    Anything spongey, such as a Victoria sponge, carrot, walnut, chocolate, red velvet, lemon drizzle, etc, I'd call cake.


    Wedding cakes are traditionally fruit cakes ('fruit cake' is a specific kind of cake made of dried fruit, rather than a generic term for any cake that includes fruit), in three tiers, although Victoria sponge and chocolate cake are also popular. Fruit cake is very dense so the bottom tier is usually fruit cake to hold up the two smaller tiers.

    #11Author papousek (343122) 03 May 23, 13:52
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    #11

    The link you provide for flan (the Wikipedia article) provides a somewhat different angle, though; its definition of a flan is less about fruit than about the egg/custard filling, though it can be combined with other ingredients. (Which would be in line with the French 'flan', I believe.)


    I don't have much experience with flans in the English-speaking world, though, so I can't say anything about them from first-hand experience. My English grandmother was a dreadful cook, and the main ingredient of most of her dishes was cigarette ash from the fag end that was always dangling from her mouth. Yum.

    #12Author Thirith (1037221) 03 May 23, 14:01
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    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/e...

    case of pastry or cake without a topcontaining fruit or something savoury (= not sweet) such as cheese:

    cheese and onion flan

    pear flan

    a flan dish


    https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionar...

    cake or pie without a top that has a filling of cheesefruit, or vegetables


    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/...

    flan is a food that has a base and sides of pastry or sponge cake. The base is filled with fruit or savoury food.


    https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/71056?rskey=oZ...

     An open tart containing fruit or other filling.

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    The dictionaries aren't so strict about flans needing to be eggy, though. None of the above mentions eggs. My grandmothers' flans were a round sponge base filled with fruit and jelly, that looked pretty much exactly like this (https://www.myrecipemagic.com/simple-strawber...) I haven't eaten one in decades!


    #13Author papousek (343122) 03 May 23, 15:10
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    Eine Bildersuche zu "flan" fördert kaum belegte Obsttorten zutage: "flan" – Google Suche. Die findet man unter "tart": "tart" – Google Suche


    Das ist übrigens der Bereich, wo die Grenze zwischen "Kuchen" und "Torte" verschwimmt. Ich würde einen flachen simple strawberry flan eher Erdbeerkuchen nennen als Erdbeertorte. Letztere assoziiere ich mit einem hohen Aufbau oder mehreren Schichten und einer Creme: klassische Erdbeertorte

    #14AuthorRominara (1294573)  03 May 23, 15:15
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    re #5 & #7 :

    This may be an AE / BE thing. I never heard the word Torte when I lived in England, and I see the Collins dictionary gives "gateau" as the meaning of "torte". (A test would be whether the same dictionary gives "torte" as the meaning of "gateau"). In an English teashop once I ordered a slice of cake, pointing at a many-layered thing with various creamy and fruity fillings, and the waitress looked at me in a puzzled way before saying "Oh, you mean the gâteau".

    #15Author isabelll (918354)  03 May 23, 15:34
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    #15


    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/...

    gateau[ˈɡætəʊ]

    plural gateaux [ˈɡætəʊz]

    (esp Brit) Torte


    #16Author MiMo (236780) 03 May 23, 16:07
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    #14 Rominara

    Eine Bildersuche zu "flan" fördert kaum belegte Obsttorten zutage: "flan" – Google Suche. Die findet man unter "tart": "tart" – Google Suche


    Google image search can be misleading. All those 'flans' in your Google search are American 'flans', which we (BE) call 'crème caramels'.


    My #11 specifically says 'Traditionally, open-topped fruit 'Torten' were called flans in the UK'.


    Try a google image search for 'strawberry flan' or 'raspberry flan' or even 'fruit flan' and you get a very different set of (British) results -- pretty much the same set of results that you get for 'fruit tarts'.


    But, to repeat, you're more likely to see and hear the word 'tart' nowadays, especially on a menu, than the word 'flan'.

    #17Author papousek (343122)  03 May 23, 16:57
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    Re tortes vs gateaux in BE


    I have done a bit of internet searching. It seems to me that the word 'torte' is primarily used in the UK for rich chocolate desserts, that is, for cakes bearing a strong similarity to Sachertorten, which is the only specific 'Torte' to bear the name of 'torte' in English.


    There are 21 'torte' recipes on the BBC Good Food magazine online archive (https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/search?q=torte) almost all of which are chocolate desserts.


    I've checked the supermarkets. Waitrose (a fancy upmarket UK supermarket) sells a frozen chocolate and raspberry torte (https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/products/waitro...), while Marks & Spencers (also an upmarket supermarket) sells three frozen chocolate desserts called 'tortes' (https://www.ocado.com/search?entry=torte).


    From the other supermarkets, Sainsburys sells chocolate 'torte slices' (https://food-to-order.sainsburys.co.uk/produc...), Tescos sells two tortes, one chocolate (https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/product...) and one caramel (https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/product...).

    #18Author papousek (343122)  03 May 23, 17:29
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    Google image search can be misleading. All those 'flans' in your Google search are American 'flans', which we (BE) call 'crème caramels'.


    They are also called 'flan' in Spanish.

    And they can be savoury, here's a search for 'asparagus flan': https://www.google.com/search?q=asparagus+fla...


    I would call what the French call a Quiche Lorraine a flan - bacon bits in an eggy cream.

    #19Author penguin (236245)  03 May 23, 18:25
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    #19 I would call what the French call a Quiche Lorraine a flan - bacon bits in an eggy cream.


    I know what you mean but I'd call that a quiche.

    #20Author FernSchreiber (1341928) 03 May 23, 18:54
     
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