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    Besteck

    Context/ examples
    gastronomie: deckst du mal das (ess-)besteck ein?
    Authorea13 Sep 02, 10:44
    Ergebnisse aus dem Wörterbuch
    cutlerydas Besteck  pl.: die Bestecke
    flatware   - mass noun   chiefly  (Amer.)das Besteck  pl.: die Bestecke
    silverware   chiefly  (Amer.)das Besteck  pl.: die Bestecke
    knife, fork and spoondas Besteck  pl.: die Bestecke
    utensils (Amer.) plural noundas Besteck  pl.: die Bestecke   - Essbesteck
    eating irons plural noun [fig.] (Amer.)das Besteck  pl.: die Bestecke [coll.]
    fix [TECH.]das Besteck  pl.: die Bestecke
    Suggestionsilverware
    #1AuthorWerner13 Sep 02, 10:47
    Suggestioncutlery, knives + forks
    #2Author13 Sep 02, 10:56
    Comment
    cutlery is the right word - but almost everyone says silverware for Besteck, whether it's made of silver or not
    #3AuthorNancy13 Sep 02, 11:01
    Suggestioncutlery
    Comment
    Nancy. Who's everyone? I would never say silverware, unless I was refering to the 'good' cutlery (which I don't even own).
    #4AuthorSue <aus>13 Sep 02, 11:37
    Comment
    I agree with Nancy. Maybe it's AE usage. Nancy, are you a native speaker of AE?
    #5AuthorIlka <us>13 Sep 02, 11:57
    Comment
    Sue and Ilka. Yes, I'm a native American speaker. Maybe it's just American linguistic sloppiness - so excuse my "almost everyone".
    #6AuthorNancy13 Sep 02, 12:03
    Suggestionflatware
    Context/ examples
    (in sales catalog) (brand name) 46-piece Sterling Silver Flatware Set. ....each flatware set is perfectly balanced and proportioned.
    #7AuthorHH13 Sep 02, 12:27
    Suggestioncutlery
    Comment
    Both "silverware" and "flatware" sound terrible to the English ear! IŽm not sure why, since "chinaware" and "earthenware" are perfectly acceptable. But "cutlery" is the usual term, with, as an earlier comment said, "knives and forks" a colloquial usage (not sure what happened to the spoons).
    Incidentally, IŽve noticed Americans looking quizzical when IŽve used the word "cutlery", so maybe that sounds equally odd to them.
    #8Author17 Sep 02, 12:58
    Suggestionsilverware
    Comment
    In the middle part of the United States, everyone says "silverware." Cutlery is not used in everyday conversation.
    #9AuthorEarl Roethke18 Sep 02, 16:04
    Suggestionsilverware, flatware
    Comment
    At least in the US cutlery refers only to the type of knifes one uses when preparing food.
    The ones used for eating are either silverware or flatware which is waht the german word Besteck refers to.
    #10AuthorIna Reichel19 Sep 02, 20:48
    Suggestionflatware / cutlery / (silverware)
    Comment
    Earl: I am from the Midwest, and have never said silverware except when referring to actual silver flatware.

    Ina: you are correct, although cutlery has been bastardized to the point it is now showing up in dictionaries with a secondary meaning of eating instruments in general.

    I would use the word flatware rather than silverware, because many people, at least in the U.S., will assume silverware is just that - fine silver (plated) eating instruments.
    #11AuthorBP (US)20 Sep 02, 05:46
    SuggestionCutlery
    Comment
    Besteck is a set of cutlery (knife, fork and spoon).
    If you are talking to an American then you can maybe say flatware, but if you're talking to anyone in England or ex-Colonies they won't have a clue what you're talking about unless you say cutlery.
    #12AuthorBB20 Sep 02, 09:04
    Suggestioneating instrument(s)
    Comment
    BP: I think you solved this issue completely. 'Eating instruments' is the best.
    Even 'zee' Germans will understand :)
    #13Authorfrank20 Sep 02, 09:04
    Comment
    I just have to put in my two cents worth!
    I'm from Toronto, Canada, and I would have no idea what someone would mean if they were to say "flatware" to me. I usually refer to the stuff as cutlery, except in certain phrases such as "count the silverware (after so-and-so has left)"! :-)
    #14AuthorElaine20 Sep 02, 16:33
    Comment
    Elaine
    I refer you to my earlier post ;-)
    #15AuthorBB20 Sep 02, 16:53
    Comment
    BTW: 'Besteck' is in LEO already.
    #16AuthorBB20 Sep 02, 16:57
    Comment
    Just to confirm what BB said...as a native of an ex-colony (South Africa), I have also never heard of flatware, and silverware is only used for cutlery made of silver. Even then one would usually just say "Count the silver".
    #17AuthorAW20 Sep 02, 17:49
    Suggestionutensils
    Comment
    My 2 cents worth as well (Hello Elaine, we're neighbours!) I have heard all of them, use all of them except flatware and to add another one, I often hear 'utensils' (and not only for plastic). Did you forget the utensils for the picnic?
    #18AuthorRES-can20 Sep 02, 18:49
    Comment
    RES-can: Hello neighbour! I think that 'utensils' works as well, but it could be too ambiguous and also mean the soup ladle, cheese cutter, chopsticks...
    BB: Did I forget to mention that I agree with you? :)
    #19AuthorElaine21 Sep 02, 16:12
    Suggestioncutlery=set of knife, fork, and spoon=place setting=silverware=flatware
    Sources
    use your - to eat
    Comment
    That are all synonyms to the rendition "Besteck" I know
    #20Author w313g (254855) 31 Jan 07, 23:17
    Comment
    Lol ! - Who dares to call a spade a spade and a knife a knife (but a garden- or a table utensil) ? . . .

    @ # 9: Are you an Under-cover agent of some kind ? . . . ;-)

    The normal BE-term for the stuff is definitely 'cutlery' . . .

    BB: #12: Didn't the US sometime (way back) count as colonies, too ??? . . . ;-)
    #21AuthorDaddy31 Jan 07, 23:29
    Comment
    Silverware is AE usage for any place setting of eating utensils of any material.
    Flatware is an AE catalog term used for "truth in advertising" which everyone understands but is rarely used in everyday speaking, at least not where I come from in the States.
    Utensils is not specific enough (IMHO).
    Cutlery in BE = Silverware in AE
    Cutlery in AE refer to utensils that are used to cut something. A cutlery set in the States is a set of knives.
    Eating instruments is far-fetched but admittedly basic enough to be understood (and then chuckled at- sorry, Frank).

    My mom used to solve the silverware/flatware dilemma by refering to the everyday stuff as "silverware" and the real silver stuff as "her sterling":)
    #22Author Todd (275243) 31 Jan 07, 23:55
    SuggestionBesteck --- suche Übersetzung für Chirurgenbesteck
    Comment
    oder auch "Material für eine Operation"
    #23AuthorSusanne L. Born20 Feb 07, 11:15
    Sources
    surgery equipment
    Comment
    .
    #24Authorcoburn20 Feb 07, 11:22
    Suggestionsurgical instruments
    #25Authorllinguist (298541) 20 Feb 07, 11:23
    Suggestionsurgical instruments
    Comment
    findest Du in LEO unter "Operationsbesteck:
    Dictionary: Operationsbesteck

    (man kann oben im Suchfeld "*besteck" eingeben, durch das Sternchen findet man dann auch zusammengesetzte Begriffe mit "besteck" am Ende, so auch das OP-Besteck.)

    Eine neue Anfrage wäre übrigens vermutlich in diesem Fall besser gewesen, da viele Leute eine offensichtlich alte, etwas längere Diskussion zu Eßbestecken bestimmt nicht nach neuen Fragestellungen untersuchen. Nur so als Tip fürs nächste Mal.
    #26AuthorDragon unplugged20 Feb 07, 11:24
    Suggestionutensils
    Comment
    i agree with i agree with "RES-can"
    I´m from NY and we also ask for "utensils" if we wanna have knife, fork and spoon.

    #27AuthorMarcus24 Jun 07, 20:05
     
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